Is there a health risk of too much calcium?

2008-08-31 16:05:30

Is there a health risk of too much calcium?
The Tolerable Upper Limit (UL) is the highest level of daily intake
of calcium from food, water and supplements that is likely to pose no
risks of adverse health effects to almost all individuals in the
general population [2]. The UL for children and adults ages 1 year
and older (including pregnant and lactating women) is 2500 mg/day. It
was not possible to establish a UL for infants under the age of 1
year.
While low intakes of calcium can result in deficiency and undesirable
health conditions, excessively high intakes of calcium can also have
adverse effects. Adverse conditions associated with high calcium
intakes are hypercalcemia (elevated levels of calcium in the blood),
impaired kidney function and decreased absorption of other minerals.
Hypercalcemia can also result from excess intake of vitamin D, such
as from supplement overuse at levels of 50,000 IU or higher. However,
hypercalcemia from diet and supplements is very rare. Most cases of
hypercalcemia occur as a result of malignancy - especially in the
advanced stages.
Another concern with high calcium intakes is the potential for
calcium to interfere with the absorption of other minerals, iron,
zinc, magnesium, and phosphorus.
Most Americans should consider their intake of calcium from all foods
including fortified ones before adding supplements to their diet to
help avoid the risk of reaching levels at or near the UL for calcium
(2500 mg). If you need additional assistance regarding your calcium
needs, consider checking with a physician or registered dietitian.

Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] WHEY Protein

2008-08-31 13:09:06

Hi there, my son brought home 2 huge, huge jars of some stuff from GNC that his
auntie gave him (he needs to gain weight). 1 of them is 100% whey protein
(chocolate) 20g protein and only 5 carbs, is this the stuff I need to drink?
cause I thought it was and I asked him if I could have it.
the other jar is something almost the same but it has 30 carbs so that is not
for me.

"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength" Philippians 4:13
Judy -- My Day July 23, 2008 -- 28 DAYS TO GO
262/234
HW/CW
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JUDY'S JOURNEY
http://www.myspace.com/nynativecagirl

Calcium and kidney stones

2008-08-31 08:59:24

Calcium and kidney stones
Kidney stones are crystallized deposits of calcium and other minerals
in the urinary tract. Calcium oxalate stones are the most common form
of kidney stones in the US. High calcium intakes or high calcium
absorption were previously thought to contribute to the development of
kidney stones. However, more recent studies show that high dietary
calcium intakes actually decrease the risk for kidney stones. Other
factors such as high oxalate intake and reduced fluid consumption
appear to be more of a risk factor in the formation of kidney stones
than calcium in most individuals

Re: very upset - no PS will even help me submit to insurance

2008-08-30 22:59:40

Lora,
I don't know what to say. I can suggest that you come visit me and
go to my PS at Johns Hopkins. I won't mind if you stay for a while
and recuperate. If at all interested her name is Michelle Shermak.
She is head of PS at Johns Hopkins. You can look her up through the
internet as I did. Other than that I don't know how to help. I am
being serious about staying with me if it will be covered by your
insurance. I won't charge you too much as you won't be eating much.
Just Kidding !!! Not about staying with me.
Lizanne

Calcium

2008-08-30 22:35:39

Lora,
I cut back on my calcium supplements because my calcium levels were
above the range that is considered normal. I eat a lot of cheese and
yogurt, and I don't know what happens if your blood levels are too
high. Maybe I better research that. My PCP didn't seem concerned,
but I am not going to let that sway my judgement. So far my doctors
have not proven to know what they are talking about. If I find
anything useful I will post it for us all.
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] very upset - no PS will even help me submit to insurance

2008-08-30 13:51:06

Lora,
Don't give up. I would suggest that you talk to your primary and your Bypass
surgeon and see what they can offer as help finding someone that will do this.
Some of the surgeons that say they will not right now, may change their minds if
they are actually contacted by another physician that is saying that this is no
longer a cosmetic procedure.
Now, this is really going out there, but have you considered writing into a
show like Extreme Makeover or something like that and asking for assistance?
The may be able to help you. I would not go that route until you have really
exhausted everyother avenue though. I really think something will come up.
Lisa A
Lora <cicerogirl@...
I have contacted all of the PSs in my area that my surgeon works with
(none of them are covered by my insurance plan) and all of the ones
that ARE covered by my insurance, and NONE of them... not a single
damn one... will even submit a claim to my insurance (even if I pay
what insurance does not) for a panniculectomy because THEY consider it
cosmetic. If no surgeon will subnmit a claim, there is no way to get
reimbursed, even though I meet ALL of my insurance company's
requirements for medical necessity (the panni hangs down below the
pubis, I have (almost) the 3 months worth of documented skin
irritation and treatment of the rashes/irritation, and it interferes
with daily functioning (exercise in my case)).
So I can get the alien fixed whenever, but will have to pay for the
panni removal myself (estimated quotes so far are anywhere from $6,00
to $11,000!). I thought maybe there was a bright side to everything I
went through with the open surgery -- getting the panniculectomy when
they repair the hernia -- but apparently not because I don't have that
kind of money laying around (especially with a job about to end).
Going to take soe more pain med, go back to bed, and cry for a while...
Lora
Lisa A
284/271/168/135

very upset - no PS will even help me submit to insurance

2008-08-30 09:37:45

I have contacted all of the PSs in my area that my surgeon works with
(none of them are covered by my insurance plan) and all of the ones
that ARE covered by my insurance, and NONE of them... not a single
damn one... will even submit a claim to my insurance (even if I pay
what insurance does not) for a panniculectomy because THEY consider it
cosmetic. If no surgeon will subnmit a claim, there is no way to get
reimbursed, even though I meet ALL of my insurance company's
requirements for medical necessity (the panni hangs down below the
pubis, I have (almost) the 3 months worth of documented skin
irritation and treatment of the rashes/irritation, and it interferes
with daily functioning (exercise in my case)).
So I can get the alien fixed whenever, but will have to pay for the
panni removal myself (estimated quotes so far are anywhere from $6,00
to $11,000!). I thought maybe there was a bright side to everything I
went through with the open surgery -- getting the panniculectomy when
they repair the hernia -- but apparently not because I don't have that
kind of money laying around (especially with a job about to end).
Going to take soe more pain med, go back to bed, and cry for a while...
Lora

Update on me-Mindy

2008-08-30 07:05:55

Mindy,
My Goodness!!! You are amazing!!! 93 lbs in less than 4 months!!!
I am amazed. Sounds like all is going so well for you except for the
hair loss. That can be very disappointing, but with every else going
so well, you can ALMOST overlook that.
So what's your secret? What have you been doing to lose all that
weight so fast? Are you developing new habits that will carry you
for years, or do you still find yourself, ocassionally falling back
to food for comfort? Tell us more about your hourney.
Lizanne
251/168/125

Comparison Pics...

2008-08-29 17:24:22

Tell me what you think of my weight loss so far (19 Pounds)
http://amyishealthy.blogspot.com/
I can't believe how different I look already.
XOX
Amy
Pre-Op 256 (1 Pound away from my GOAL!)

Chicken Quesadillas

2008-08-29 13:20:04

This simple recipe lets you make low cal quesadillas that could be
easily mistaken for the fat-filled real thing. Need we say more? Go
try it out!
Ingredients:
1 La Tortilla Factory Low Carb, Low Fat Whole Wheat Tortilla (small
size)
1/4 cup shredded fat free cheddar cheese (or ff mozzarella, ff
american, ff jack)
2 oz. chicken breast, grilled and sliced
1 Tbsp. green onion, diced
1 Tbsp. salsa
1 tsp. light sour cream
Directions:
In a pan lightly spritzed with nonstick cooking spray, set down your
tortilla. Spread the cheese, chicken and green onion evenly on top.
Let set (cheese will just be beginning to melt), then fold over. Cook
on medium heat for a minute or so, flipping quesadilla halfway in
between. Slide your quesadilla onto a plate and serve with the salsa
and sour cream. Enjoy!
Nutritional Info:
Calories: 155
Fat: 4g
Sodium: 680mg
Carbs: 15.5g
Fiber: 8.5g
Sugars: 1g
Protein: 22.5g
*3 Points!!

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Amy Walking

2008-08-29 03:17:11

Amy,
Sounds like you are doing great!!! I liked your comment about your muscle
spasms! LOL - Charley horse of the toosh!!!
I had the same problem w/ my bra. I took some of the gauze and med take that
they sent home with me and made a nice bandage to go over that area, and wore a
really ratty bra until it healed. Honestly, that was one of the areas that took
longest to heal too. It is possible because I covered it that it took longer,
but I really think it is in one of those odd locations that stays warmer and is
constantly being rubbed. It is probably the worst of my scars too. The
smallest, but the darkest....I dont know, perhaps when you get the ok, start
putting mederma or cocoa butter on it to lighten it up and help keep it plyable.
I am rambling now. I will be quiet and start doing my job.
Have a nice day,
Lisa A
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Amy,
You are out and about so much right after surgery. That's great!
Since you are doing so well so early, that's a good sign. Do you
have any planned exercise routine that you will be following when
approved by your surgeon? I am so glad to read that you are just
happily rolling along.
Lizanne
251/168/125

Amy Walking

2008-08-28 23:22:31

Amy,
You are out and about so much right after surgery. That's great!
Since you are doing so well so early, that's a good sign. Do you
have any planned exercise routine that you will be following when
approved by your surgeon? I am so glad to read that you are just
happily rolling along.
Lizanne
251/168/125

Update on Theres

2008-08-28 19:59:22

Thank you Edie. My tolerance for pain has always been
high and I think that doing what the doctor wants you
to do when you get home helps out a lot during the
recovery period. Now I can't go out and lift weights
or run for about 6 weeks but just walking a little bit
every day...at least I get some type of exercise. I
nap when I have to but otherwise I feel fine.
Theresa in GA

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] kidney pain again... going to ER

2008-08-28 15:06:59

Lora, were they able to give you an answer?

Pat
--- On Thu, 4/3/08, Lora <cicerogirl@...
From: Lora <cicerogirl@...
Subject: [WLS Friendship & Support] kidney pain again... going to ER

San! Happy Birthday

2008-08-28 12:21:08

San-
I hope you are having a wonderful birthday! We miss you around here!
Love,
Ally

kidney pain again... going to ER

2008-08-28 00:41:05

The pain flared up again tonight, coming on very quickly (maybe
accounting for how I've been feeling the past few days...?), so I am
headed to the ER so they can do a scan WHILE I'm in pain (and I can
get some GOOD pain meds).
Lora

Re: kidney pain again... going to ER

2008-08-27 21:05:46

Good luck, Lora. I hope they find the cause of your pain!!!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/173/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: i'm out of thee hospital!

2008-08-27 10:19:34

Yeah, Amy! I'm glad your home and doing well. Just sip sip sip your
water and walk walk walk as much as you can.
Good to have you home!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/173/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Addictio

2008-08-27 06:04:36

Lizanne,
I have 2 brothers myself, I'd do whatever I had to for them, keep on him.
I'm sure he realizes what your fishing for, (if his wife tells him she calls
you)let him know your not going away, this is to important.
Good luck,
Edie
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM, lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] i'm out of thee hospital

2008-08-27 04:49:30

Congrats and welcome to the loosing side of life.
Good luck,
Edie
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Your Secret Sister <

Update on Theres

2008-08-26 18:16:23

You must be super woman, 14 pounds, walking everyday, taking showers....
When I have my ps, I want to be just like you :o)
Congrats, I hope everything continues to go well.
Edie
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Theresa Rodriguez <trodri9302@...

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Clothes Shoppin

2008-08-26 17:01:45

LMAOROF, and congrats.
Edie
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] i'm out of thee hospital!

2008-08-26 13:02:23

Congratulations on joining us in the Losers Lounge Amy. I'm glad things went
well. The more walking you do the less weird and wobbly you'll feel. Eat slow,
move and sip your water you will feel much better soon.
Debby
Your Secret Sister <vickisecretsister@...
Hi, guys and gals. Just wanted to let you know that I am out of thee
hospital now. . . Kinda nauseated. . . feeling weird and wobbly, etc. but out
nonetheless. . . I go back in the a.m. to get my staples reemoved. .. . . . Give
me a little bit to catch up on my messages. . Special thanks to Pat and Joan for
their support and visit. ..:-)
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
03/31/2008
HW/SW/CW
299/267/???

i'm out of thee hospital!

2008-08-26 07:33:52

Hi, guys and gals. Just wanted to let you know that I am out of thee hospital
now. . . Kinda nauseated. . . feeling weird and wobbly, etc. but out
nonetheless. . . I go back in the a.m. to get my staples reemoved. .. . . . Give
me a little bit to catch up on my messages. . Special thanks to Pat and Joan for
their support and visit. ..:-)
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
03/31/2008
HW/SW/CW
299/267/???

Re: just feeling icky about everything

2008-08-26 00:44:20

Lora,
It is very frustrating. No wonder you are edgy. Trying to make it
all work, when there is no optimum answer. The only thing I can
suggest is to work really hard to lose as much OR to tone as much as
you can before the alien surgery. Maybe the remaining skin after
surgery will still have some elasticity left and the excess skin will
not be severe.
I have an advantage because I started out less overweight than you,
so that even though I still have 43 lbs to go until I reach my goal,
that isn't as much as you. I feel lucky to have been approved for
this surgery in just under 2 months where they will remove both panni
and alien. The mons area is still fatty though. I wonder when that
starts to slim down. I thought I would mention that area to my PS to
see if she makes some adjustments while doing the panni that might
make that area more appealing. But I was wondering what she would
do. If I pull the skin tighter by lifting, that shifts some
important elements that may affect sex. That's all the farther I
want to go with that.
Theresa, did they do anything to you when you had your surgery or was
that not in the area that was corrected in your surgery?
Also, this exercising stuff is really getting boring. I know I have
to lose more weight before my PS. Last night while walking the
treadmill, I just couldn't make myself do more than 40 minutes. It's
like torture. And I have an incentive in that I have only 2 months
until PS. Anyone have any ideas?
Lizanne
251/168/125

Clothes Shopping

2008-08-25 14:07:21

Last night when I was getting ready for bed my daughter came into my
room, which is normal. My back was to her and I was naked. She
said...WOW!!! you look so thin. Why doesn't that show when you are
dressed (I was happy that someone thought I looked good naked, even
if it was only my daughter). So I started to turn around and she
said....Wow!!! again, only this time she said whoa, that thing on the
front of you is huge hmmm? Then as I turned facing her, she asked me
when I was going to audition for the National Geographic Channel.
So I have learned that when I Finally find a guy who is interested
and I plan to get naked in front of him, I will turn my back until
the lights go out or until he turns his back. I thought it was
pretty funny...all in all.
Lizanne
251/168/125

Re: Is it just me??

2008-08-25 07:38:11

Pat,
You are not the only one. I have stopped posting much because every
time I write a message, for some reason it will drop. It seems we put
some thought and time into responses, then it just gets deleted.

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Addiction

2008-08-24 23:47:05

Lizanne,
I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. Hopefully this is just a "phase",
(I'm not minimizing this at all) you know we all have to learn better eating
and drinking habits. I don't think it matters how far out we are, we will
all slip, the important thing is in seeing it before it takes over and
then going back to the habits that we are successful with.
I hope this is true with your brother, if in fact he is having a problem,
let's hope he isn't.
I'll be pulling for him.
Edie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] just feeling icky about everything

2008-08-24 21:12:12

Lora,
I would have an appt with the plastic surgeon to discuss the possibility
before thinking it can't be done. Peggy(are you out there Peggy? if you are jump
in) had her panni removed when she was still larger than you. Even though she
still had weight to lose she had a large panni and her plastic surgeon agreed to
do it. It turned out really well. She is still about 240 (the last time I saw
her) but with a flat stomach.
Debby
Lora <cicerogirl@...
Physically, perhaps I am fighting off one of the many bugs that have
been going around lately... I don't feel *bad*... I'm just a little
stuffy, very tired (but it has been a very busy week), and feeling
generally icky both physically and emotionally. Things that I have
been eating for a long time with no problem seem to make my pouch
kind of achy or queasy.
Emotionally, my tolerance for any kind of hassle is very low. (I had
to spend ANOTHER $600 on car repairs this week -- after I just spent
over $500 right before Christmas... was VERY annoyed... more annoyed
than was warranted.) Little things are getting to me -- like not
having a single pair of underwear that is comfortable and fits
properly (the stretchy nylon ones I bought to try to help with panni
issues are uncomfortable (in addition to being nylon rather than
cotton), still a little baggy in back, and the cotton ones, not
matter what brand I have tried, are really baggy in back in order to
fit my front.) So I have been rolling up the back waist on
everything.
The more I research PS, the more I am doubting that I will be able to
get the panni removal done along with my hernia removal unless I can
stand the hernia until August or so (and manage to keep medical
insurance in place). Even then, it might be "iffy" for the panni
removal if they refuse to do it while I still have any extra fat,
and if I have a new job (and therefore insurance) after August,
taking time off work may be a problem. Depressing. The hernia hurts
and the panni, etc. flopping around and getting in the way all the
time is annoying and disgusting.
I've been trying to just keep quiet here because I don't want to
spread my icky mood.
Lora

Update on Am

2008-08-24 16:33:47

Good job Pat, it's to bad the hopsital personal wern't there for her. But
at least you and Joan were!
Edie

Heidi

2008-08-24 13:16:06

(I wanted to make sure you get a thread of your own since sometimes
people don't read down all the way through an old thread that has
changed topics!)
I only saw one previous post from you (apologies if I missed others),
and you had mentioned gaining weight back after 5 years... then here
you mentioned not losing enough, etc.. How much did you lose after
surgery, and how much have you gained back? DO you strugle with eating
too much or snacking, or eating the worng things, or not
exercising...? Sorry... I don't mean to ask so many questions... I'm
just not sure what exactly you're struggling with and want to make sure
you get replies that are useful to you!
Lora

Interesting

2008-08-23 23:17:04

49 ODD Things about you! If you opened this, FILL IT OUT!
Learn things about your friends, and let them learn things about you!
Or just read and delete, or just delete.
As if I have any control over what you do with this thing! LOL
1. Do you like bleu cheese? Dressing?..yes
2. Have you ever smoked heroin? No
3. Do you own a gun? Yes
4. What flavor do you add to your drink at Sonic? I've never been to Sonic.
5. Do you get nervous before doctor appointments? Depends on what it's for,
usually no.
6. What do you think of hot dogs? I like them barbecued, charred up with
mustard
7. Favorite Christmas song? Noel
8. What do you prefer to drink in the morning? Hot chocolate (sugar free)
9. Can you do push ups? no
10. What do you order at Starbucks? A latte
11. What's your favorite piece of jewelry? My engagement ring
12. Favorite hobby? Computer and making cakes
13. How do you eat your eggs? scrambled
4. Do you have A.D.D.? Yes
15. What's one trait that you hate about yourself? I can be judgmental
16. Middle name? Jean
17. Name 3 thoughts at this exact moment:
1) I wish I had all my clothes for the honeymoon cruise
2) I really don't want to go to work
3) I wish I were not seasick
18. Name 3 things you bought yesterday: protein bars
19. Name 3 drinks you regularly drink: welchs sf juice, bottled water,
crystal light.
20. Current worry right now? What size wedding gown to buy
21. Current hate right now? I don't really hate anything
22. Favorite place to be? At home
23. How did you bring in the New Year? Sleeping
24. Where would you like to go? To London and Norway
26. Do you own slippers? Yes, nice warm fuzzy ones
27. What shirt are you wearing? Dressed for work
28. Do you like sleeping on satin sheets? I prefer cotton
29. Can you whistle? Yes
30. Favorite color? yellow
32. What songs do you sing in the shower? I rarely sing in the shower
33. Favorite girl's name? Betsy
34. Favorite boy's name? Drake
35. What's in your pocket right now? Lint
36. Last thing that made you laugh? John being silly
37. Best bed sheets as a child? I don't remember any particular sheets
38. Do you like where you live? I like it, but wish we were in Shreveport
39. How many TVs do you have in your house? 2
40. Who is your loudest friend? My sister Dorie
41. How many dogs do you have? 2
42. Who do you hope has a crush on you? John
43. What is your favorite book? Sgt Carrelli's Mandolyn
44. What is your favorite candy? York pepperment pattes
45. Favorite Sports Team? Duke
46. What song do you want played at your funeral? How Great Thou Art
47. What were you doing 12 AM last night? Sleeping
48. What was the first thing you thought of when you woke? Oh Lord, it is
only Thursday...
49. Snow or rain? Snow

just feeling icky about everything

2008-08-23 20:38:47

Physically, perhaps I am fighting off one of the many bugs that have
been going around lately... I don't feel *bad*... I'm just a little
stuffy, very tired (but it has been a very busy week), and feeling
generally icky both physically and emotionally. Things that I have
been eating for a long time with no problem seem to make my pouch
kind of achy or queasy.
Emotionally, my tolerance for any kind of hassle is very low. (I had
to spend ANOTHER $600 on car repairs this week -- after I just spent
over $500 right before Christmas... was VERY annoyed... more annoyed
than was warranted.) Little things are getting to me -- like not
having a single pair of underwear that is comfortable and fits
properly (the stretchy nylon ones I bought to try to help with panni
issues are uncomfortable (in addition to being nylon rather than
cotton), still a little baggy in back, and the cotton ones, not
matter what brand I have tried, are really baggy in back in order to
fit my front.) So I have been rolling up the back waist on
everything.
The more I research PS, the more I am doubting that I will be able to
get the panni removal done along with my hernia removal unless I can
stand the hernia until August or so (and manage to keep medical
insurance in place). Even then, it might be "iffy" for the panni
removal if they refuse to do it while I still have any extra fat,
and if I have a new job (and therefore insurance) after August,
taking time off work may be a problem. Depressing. The hernia hurts
and the panni, etc. flopping around and getting in the way all the
time is annoying and disgusting.
I've been trying to just keep quiet here because I don't want to
spread my icky mood.
Lora

Happy Birthday San!

2008-08-23 16:10:31

San, wherever you are, and whatever you are doing... I hope you have a
wonderful day!!
Pat

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] plantar crap

2008-08-23 07:41:33

Hi there well if you remember last month I went to foot dr for a shot and was
told no more because my skin on the heel was thinning. Dr said surgery last
option. Well I decided to get night splint more ortho inserts etc. Someone on
here mentioned shockwave therapy. Anyway I have been suffering for the past
month horrid horrid pain! Finally got angry again and came in today!
Guess what? Lo and behold kaiser is doing shockwave therapy!!! My God I am so
blessed! Anyway I just had it done on my foot and I have to get 2 more
treatments and we'll see how it goes. Hurt like the dickens but hopefully it
will be worth it. I will keep you posted
Judy - Countdown to my grandson's arrival! 4-15-08
"Happily Watching The Scale Go Down"
262/240
HW/CW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Update on Theres

2008-08-23 02:54:47

Holy Moly, 14 lbs!! wow that's impressive.
Edie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Pauleen - are you ok?

2008-08-22 21:08:13

Hi Lisa. Work is fine. I actually do a little better with my fluid intake at
work than at home. Thanks for asking about me.
Pauleen
Lisa <lisaatwell1968@...
Hey Pauleen, I know you went back to work this week. How are you
holding up?
Lisa A

Pauleen - are you ok?

2008-08-22 17:42:59

Hey Pauleen, I know you went back to work this week. How are you
holding up?
Lisa A

Re: Who WON'T Get an Economic Stimulus Check

2008-08-22 04:23:04

If you exceed the income limits, you need toi read what the actual
guidelines are about HOW they phase out the stimulus amount... you do
not have to make very much over the amount to get NOTHING (but the
way it is worded below makes it sound like you'll just get a little
less.
I also do not gte to deduct the interest on $40K+ student loans
because I make "too much" money. How do they think I got the jobs
with the "too much money salaries"?!? Why can someone making $30K
deduct interest on $3K in student loans but an attorney who owes
$100K in law school loans can't deduct the interest because he makes
$100k?!?! Don't EVEN get me started....
Lora

Who WON'T Get an Economic Stimulus Check

2008-08-21 23:53:28

Most Americans will soon receive rebate checks from the IRS worth
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up in a bind if they've already hit the mall and put extra charges on
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The global tax firm of Grant Thornton says if you belong to any of
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owe back taxes to the IRS or any state government, you could see your
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2. You make too much money. The rebate payments will begin to phase
out for individuals with gross incomes above $75,000, and for married
couples filing jointly with incomes over $150,000. If your adjusted
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each spouse must have a valid SSN to receive the rebate

Re: Update on Theresa

2008-08-21 17:53:29

14 lbs!!!! That's the most I have even heard of being removed at one
time. And her pain level is fine???? I want her doctor and her meds.
I am so glad to read that she did so well. I can't wait to read
about the procedure when she can post.
YIPPEE!!!
Lizanne
251/168/125

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Started Yoga plus an update

2008-08-21 16:53:28

Dawn,
Good for you. Yoga is great exercise. I am not able to do it yet. I have no
flexibility. I tried Bikrum's yoga and had to run out of the room to throw-up.
Congratulations for being in such great shape. Have fun.
Debby
Dawn <scottndawn@...
Good morning!
Monday night began my first yoga class. It was awesome! I'm very
grateful that I'm in as good a shape as I am in now, because
otherwise I never would have made it through the first class! I
still have a lot of work to do, though - wowzers! It's pretty
tough! Penny, I know you're out there - I'm quite impressed that
you've been doing yoga for so long - good for you!!!
All is well here - just a crazy schedule as usual. Last week I was
invited to my surgeon's new patient seminar to give
my "testamonial". It was great to meet other patients of his. I had

Started Yoga plus an update

2008-08-21 12:24:26

Good morning!
Monday night began my first yoga class. It was awesome! I'm very
grateful that I'm in as good a shape as I am in now, because
otherwise I never would have made it through the first class! I
still have a lot of work to do, though - wowzers! It's pretty
tough! Penny, I know you're out there - I'm quite impressed that
you've been doing yoga for so long - good for you!!!
All is well here - just a crazy schedule as usual. Last week I was
invited to my surgeon's new patient seminar to give
my "testamonial". It was great to meet other patients of his. I had

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Weight re-gain

2008-08-21 06:57:55

Thats sad Lizanne. . :((
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
Lap RNY 7/30/07
HW242**SW232**CW159**GW125-130

Ohio Amusement Parks

2008-08-20 16:53:29

I can't wait to take another trip to Cedar Point. I don't think enough people
are familiar with how awesome that place is. I talk to people about Kings
Island all the time and they know exactly what I mean, but I mention Cedar Point
and they are clueless. Funny.
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/154/130
HW/SW/CW/GW
www.myspace.com/allisonmarie22

Re: Update on Amy

2008-08-20 16:53:05

You go get them nurses, Pat! That's awful! I'm glad you've got her
back, though - she needs you!
Please wish her well for us and tell her we're thinking of her!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/173/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Update on Theresa

2008-08-20 11:39:21

Hey guys-
I just got a call from Theresa herself and she sounds FANTASTIC!!! She is home
from the hospital and says that her pain level is fine. She says they took a
total of 14 pounds of skin from her stomach and sides.
I'm so excited for her! I know she's going to look and feel fabulous once she's
all recovered.
I told her to keep us posted and let me know if she needs anything.
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/162/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: Jealousy...long answer

2008-08-20 04:14:08

Hi Lizanne:
I guess that some may consider me a bit of a hardass, but your sister really
ought to keep her nose out.
Maybe if you had a warm fuzzy relationship.....but not with the one it
sounds like you have.
My suggestion would be.....
Show your mom your labs....let her have proof that you're doing well.
If your mom has concrete proof that you're healthy....she won't stress about
it.
Suggest that she ask your sister to stop telling her things that will worry
her.
If your mom is uncomfortable asking your sister to back off....you do it.
Nicely, but firmly.
Don't know if you're sister is jealous ...or not.
It's something of a moot point.
You're gotten off your duff & done something wonderful for you....made a
positive change for you.
If your sister IS jealous, she can chose to fix her own situation.....or sit
& do nothing but "poop disturb"......her choice.
You can only control yourself.
Fixing your sister is your sister's job.
We have an odd relationship with my husband's sister.
We see each other at Christmas only....once a year ....for dinner....usually
about 3 hours.
We live less than 2 hours apart....and yet...never a birthday card....never
a phone call...never a visit.
I find it horribly sad....my husband and his sister are all each has once
their parents die.
But this is the choice she made....we can not force any other
relationship....so we "go with it".
Christmas dinner is wonderfully friendly, we all chat....and laugh....then
go our separate ways till next Christmas.
All very civil.....and a touch odd.
You could sit down wih your sister....and have a long talk.
But i'm not so sure from the sounds of it....if you have a "let's sit down &
clear the air" kind of relationship with her.....???
Sounds like your sister may be unhappy that you've done something
positive......something proactive??
Maybe she doesn't have the same kind of courage??
Dee
:-)
It is only possible to live happily ever after on a day to day basis.

Update on Amy

2008-08-19 23:40:29

I taked to Amy this morning and was very unhappy to hear that they
only got her up to walk once yesterday and she hadn't yet been up
today at all!! they told her they would get her up after lunch, but
they already left her waiting for hours for other things she asked for
help with. She also got left in the bathroom long enough for her legs
to go numb... sheeesh!!! I stressed how important it was that she get
up NO MATTER WHAT. I told her to go with her husband and not wait for
the nurses, or at least get up and walk in place beside the bed.
She is otherwise doing well, but is tired and sore. Joan and I are
going to go see her at the hospital after work. I'll set those nurses
straight!!!!
Pat

Re: Hernia Surgery

2008-08-19 16:05:13

The surgeon wanted to put off the hernia surgery as long as possible
so I could combine it with a panni removal (she was hoping we could
avoid it until August) and did not want to even consider fixing it
until I was under 200 pounds.
Job-wise, it would be best for me to have it done at the end of May,
so I have an appt later this month so that, as soon as the scale says
199, I can talk to her about it. At the end of May I will still be
heavier than you are now (and I'm pretty sure that I'm shorter than
you), so I don't know if it will be possible to have the panni
removal or not. I can't wait too long, though, because insurance
coverage will be an issue by September if I don't find a new job or
get this one extended through a different company.
Like yours, mine hurts when I stand too long, during some exercise,
if I lay on my tummy (preferred sleeping position), if I bend, or if
I have a snug waistband and sit for a long time.
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Theresa's Tummy Tuck Today, 4/1/2008, 12:00 am

2008-08-19 06:55:15

Hello All-
I will give Theresa a call later this afternoon to see how her TT went. I have
her number and she said she'd have someone answer for her. I'll give you all an
update when I have one. :)
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/162/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Hernia Surgery

2008-08-19 03:01:59

Lora,
Do you know when you are having your hernia surgery? Why is it you
don't have a date? You probably told me, but my memory is shot. Is
it bothering you are just stable? Mine hurts unless I am sitting or
lying down. Standing puts pressure on it and it really aches,
especially when I bend over.
I usually wear summer dresses to work. Almost casual. The sun
dresses with little sleeves as I don't go sleeveless unless I'm at
the beach. Then winter I never wear dresses.
Lizanne

Female Wisdom

2008-08-19 02:01:34

Women over 50 don't have babies because they would put them down and
forget where they left them.
A friend of mine confused her Valium with her birth control pills...
she has 14 kids but doesn't really care.
One of life's mysteries is how a 2-pound box of chocolates can make a
woman gain 5 lbs.
My mind not only wanders, it sometimes leaves completely.
The best way to forget your troubles is to wear tight shoes.
The nice part about living in a small town is that when you don't
know what you are doing, someone else does.
The older you get, the tougher it is to lose weight because by then,
your body and your fat are really good friends.
Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today.
Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain
consciousness.
I gave up jogging for my health when my thighs kept rubbing together
and setting fire to my knicker's.
Amazing! You hang something in your closet for a while and it
shrinks 2 sizes!
Skinny people irritate me! Especially when they say things
like...'You know sometimes I forget to eat!' .....Now I've forgotten
my address, my mother's maiden name and my keys, but I have never
forgotten to eat. You have to be a special kind of person to forget
to eat!
The trouble with some women is that they get all excited about
nothing and then they marry him.
I read this article that said the typical symptoms of stress are
eating too much, impulse buying, and driving too fast. Are they
kidding? That's my idea of a perfect day!

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Addictions

2008-08-18 10:51:37

Lizanne, I am sure you are devastated! I know how much you love your brother
by your many posts and I know this is truly hurting you. I wish I had some
great wisdom to offer, but all I can offer are my prayers. Love to you, Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I just wrote this really long message complaining about my sister and
the abuse my daughter had to deal with both physically and mentally.

Re: Food Journalling---really long

2008-08-18 04:55:26

Even though I no longer HAVE to keep a food journal for my
surgeon/nut, I have been sort-of continuing to use FitDay (I say sort-
of because I often don't remember to put dinner in)... but the
amazing thing to me the REASON I have continued. Unless I start
snacking on the almonds or cashews (!), I almost never reach the 1000
calorie mark, but sometimes I do get to dinner time, look at my
intake for the day, and realize that I have not gotten enough and
need an extra protein shake before or after dinner or need some
additional calories. I NEVER would have thought that I would EVER be
tracking food to make sure I got ENOUGH!!!
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)

Food Journalling---really long

2008-08-17 23:38:22

It's scientifically proven: The key isn't just what you eat, it's
what you write.
If you're anything like me, you have no idea how much food you inhale
on a day-to-day basis. Thanks to multitasking, grabbing grub on the
go, parking myself in front of the TV while munching, and various
other weight-loss crimes, I often barely register that I'm eating.
Take last week: I was totally oblivious that I was popping jelly
beans into my mouth until my nephew complained that I was about to
polish off his bag (sorry again, Jake). It's tough to watch every
mouthful you eat, even if you're an expert. Researchers at Louisiana
State University asked dietitians to estimate their daily caloric
intake and even the professionals lowballed the number by 10
percent. That may explain why it's so hard to shed pounds, no matter
how good the plan is.
But there's a simple solution: Keep a food diary. Studies show that a
journal doesn't just aid weight loss it turbo-charges it. When
researchers from Kaiser Permanente Center for Health Research
followed more than 2,000 dieters who were encouraged to record meals
and snacks, they found that the single best predictor of whether a
participant would drop weight was whether the person kept a food
diary. It trumped exercise habits, age, and body mass index. The
number of pounds people lost was directly related to the number of
days they wrote in their log. (It's no coincidence that Weight
Watchers, one of the most successful diet programs, asks participants
to track what they eat.)
Here are five more reasons to start a journal today even if you
swore off diaries in middle school.
1. You'll get a reality check about how many calories you consume.
Americans typically underestimate their daily intake by about 25
percent, reports nutritionist Carrie Latt Wiatt, author of Portion
Savvy. The situation gets even more complicated when you eat out. In
a 2006 study led by Cornell University, 105 diners in fast-food
restaurants were asked how many calories were in their orders. For
the small items, almost everyone guessed correctly; for the larger
orders, the diners underestimated the calories by a whopping 38
percent. It may be an issue of perception, says study author Brian
Wansink, Ph.D. The larger the quantity, the harder it is to make an
accurate guess the same is true for distances and heights.
Even professionals can be tricked by hefty portion sizes. When an NYU
researcher asked 200 dietitians to estimate the calorie count of four
popular restaurant dishes, the experts lowballed the number for each
by a whopping 250 to 700 calories.
So stop assuming and start calculating. A good manual, like the
classic Calorie King Fat & Carbohydrate Counter, makes it easy by
giving you the calorie counts and fat grams for a huge number of
foods. Or try nutritiondata.com, which also lists the stats for many
foods.
2. You'll cut back on between-meal munching.
Make a mental checklist of what you ate yesterday. Sure, you can
probably remember breakfast, lunch, and dinner but what about that
mini Snickers you snatched from your coworker's stash? Or that
spoonful of mashed potatoes you took off your husband's plate?
It's easy to overlook bites, licks, and tastes (known as "BLTs" to
professionals). But that's a huge mistake there are 25 calories, on
average, in each mouthful. Translation: Six little bites a day add up
to around 15 extra pounds a year.
"I remember one client who was keeping a diary and couldn't
understand why she wasn't losing weight," says Bethany Thayer, R.D.,
spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. "We were
discussing the problem when she took out a peppermint. I asked her
how many she ate every day, and she said, `A bag.' They're nine
calories each, but the whole bag is several hundred."
Writing everything down can also help you make smarter food choices.
If you often order a Starbucks Grande Dulce de Leche Latte, entering
the data will bring you face-to-face with the fact that your beloved
drink packs 440 calories, versus 23 calories for the same-size
regular coffee with milk.
3. You'll discover where your diet detours.
"I thought I ate a lot of vegetables it seemed like I was
constantly cooking spinach, broccoli, or Brussels sprouts," says
Melissa Smith, a 32-year-old mom from Omaha who's been keeping a food
diary for the past 18 months. "But looking back over a few weeks of
my journal, I was surprised to realize that I was only eating veggies
once or twice a week." So she made salads a regular part of dinner
and noticed that it helped her eat less of her entrée. Her analysis
and follow-up action paid off: She's lost more than 27 pounds.
A balanced diet is the key to weight loss, says Suzanne Farrell,
R.D., who owns Cherry Creek Nutrition in Denver. "Whole grains, low-
fat dairy, green vegetables, orange veggies, beans, nuts science
shows that we need to eat these regularly to reach a healthy body
weight. So when I flip through my clients' journals, I always look
for what I'm not seeing."
To find out how many servings of each food group you should be
eating, go to mypyramid.gov. This tool will calculate the correct
portions based on your age, gender, height, weight, and level of
physical activity. It'll also tell you the number of calories you
should aim for daily to lose weight
4. You'll learn why you pig out.
Experts suggest that, to help break bad habits, you record not only
what you eat, but the circumstances that prompt you to eat. For
example, maybe you indulge in more sweets at work because you sit
close to the vending machine. Maybe you have a milkshake several
times a week because you pass Wendy's on the way home. Or maybe every
time you worry about money, you retreat into the kitchen for chips.
When you begin to notice these patterns, you can figure out ways to
change them. If the vending machine is a constant temptation, stock
your desk drawers with fruit and granola bars. If you can't resist a
fast-food sign, MapQuest a new route to work. If you eat when you're
under pressure, steer clear of snacks and take a short walk instead
(it's a scientifically proven stress buster).
Another bonus: "When you increase awareness of what's going into your
mouth," says Thayer, "you'll feel fuller sooner than if you were just
mindlessly munching."
5. You'll see real results quickly.
Your food diary can be as revealing as the one you kept in fifth
grade. For example, to get a glimpse into how much you've improved
your diet, compare the entries in week one (Twinkie-filled) to week
four or five (ideally, veggie-filled). You can also discover which
decisions translated into pounds lost for instance, that week you
had fish for dinner twice might've helped you lose weight.
Food journals also let you give yourself credit where credit is due
(personally, I reward myself with a gold star each day I resist
eating candy). And that positive reinforcement is essential for
shedding pounds.
How to Write Off Pounds: A Cheat Sheet to Get Your Food Diary Started
Choose Your Medium
If you're using pen and paper, buy a regular spiral notebook. Or go
for a pre-organized book like the DietMinder. Computer addicts should
check out online journals, such as myfooddiary.com ($9 per month) and
nutrihand.com (free for a basic plan; $10 per month for extras). If
you can't live without your PDA, visit weightbydate.com and download
the software (starting at $19).
Start Recording
The crucial info to write down: the time you ate, what you ate, and
how much you ate. Make a habit of jotting notes right after you
eat. "If you wait until the end of the day, it's too easy to leave
things out," warns Suzanne Farrell, R.D. Tracking your diet online?
Remember to take paper with you to restaurants, so you can write down
every ingredient and calculate its nutritional content afterward.
You may also want to invest in measuring cups they'll help you
learn what a one-and-a-half-cup portion looks like (it's a lot less
than you think) as well as a calorie-counter book and a calculator.
Armed with these tools, you can track your calories like a
nutritionist would.
Get Personal
Customize your diary so it reflects the info that's most useful to
you. For example, if you're someone who eats whenever food is in
front of you, create columns in your journal to rate how hungry you
were before and afterward. If you snack your way through hard days,
add a column to describe how you were feeling when you ate. Trying to
figure out when you're most drawn to junk food? Record where you were
when you indulged and what was going on at the time. Also, if you're
trying to break a specific habit, like scarfing down ice cream at
night, create a column for that, so you can give yourself a star for
each day you resist the urge.
Be Honest
Include every single bite, lick, and taste (anything larger than a
crumb counts). And don't forget to keep track of your sips. Even the
most diligent diarists often forget to include the glass of white
wine they had at dinner (120 calories) and their 3 p.m. can of Coke
(155 calories).
Find Your Favorites
Counting calories is easier for creatures of habit: If you have a
bowl of cereal for breakfast almost every morning or a turkey
sandwich three times a week, you won't have to look up the number
each time.
Keep Your Diary Close
"I'm forgetful, so I always need to put the journal where I can see
it on my kitchen table, on my desk at work. I carry it a lot in my
hand, too, as a reminder," says Melissa Smith, 32, of Omaha, who lost
25 pounds keeping a food diary.
You can also try this trick from Maryellen Mealey, 42, of Chicago,
who lost big (188 pounds) keeping a journal: "I made a deal with
myself that I wouldn't eat anything unless I wrote it down first.
It's obsessive, but I'm a mindless snacker and putting everything in
the book really helped me be more conscious," she says.
Examine the Evidence
No matter how diligent you are, a food log won't help in the behavior-
changing department if you don't analyze it. At night, sit down and
calculate how many calories you consumed. Tally up what food groups
you're eating, and make adjustments. (A big plus of online tools is
that they do a lot of the analysis for you, totaling everything with
a click of a button and often giving you charts to show what you can
improve.)
You may also want to consult a registered dietitian. A professional
may see things in your diary that you don't (cost: usually $50 to
$300 for an initial consultation). A two-year study from Fred
Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle showed that participants
who consulted a dietitian had better success keeping off weight than
those who followed their usual diet.
Reward Yourself
"I read that it takes 28 days to build a habit," says Mealey. "So
when I have a new goal like eating veggies more often I do it for
a month, then treat myself by shopping or going to a movie with a
friend. Rewards give me an incentive to keep going."

Weight re-gain

2008-08-17 23:24:39

Hi All,
The following is a letter I saw concerning WLS patients and a reply.
Thought it might be a good thing to post.
Lizanne
"Have you noticed since you re-gained any amount of weight, people
that were around you when you were thinner are slowly fading into the
woodwork, no longer to be seen or heard? Is it me? My husband says
it's because I have changed my attitude back to the way it used to be
before I lost weight and that is why people are backing off.
You know, as much as that sounds sensible, I can't believe it. And I
won't. I truly believe that people don't even want to be friends with
someone who is just 50 pounds overweight. I say just 50 pounds
overweight because I used to be 170 pounds overweight. When I was 170
pounds overweight, I accepted it as my fault, but now I just can't.
The so-called friends that lost all their weight with weight loss
surgery, have kept the weight off, and have had plastic surgery seem
to avoid me like the plague. Surely they should know weight gain is
not contagious.
I just realized this the other day. People who were so friendly and
cheerful and just knocking my door down to be my friend, calling at
all hours of the night, are dropping like flies. Is anyone else
experiencing anything similar?
Anna
I want to add a comment here. Some people just want to move on. But
some people might be like a former friend of mine, Renee. Renee had
weight loss surgery, lost her weight, had plastic surgery then pulled
away from me. I hadn't regained any weight, so I knew it wasn't
that, but I knew something was wrong. I finally confronted her about
it and she admitted she was pulling away. She wanted to leave her old
morbidly obese life behind and I was too much of a reminder of that.
She had a new job and she didn't want anyone to know that she had
ever been heavy. She felt such shame about her former size. It was
sad that I lost my friend. She has since moved away and I miss her.
But I had to respect her decision.
What is equally sad is when people who were morbidly obese and have
experienced the discrimination that accompanies morbid obesity, would
do the same thing to a friend who is not as slim as they are.

Re: non-plus size pants!!!

2008-08-17 17:41:20

Lora,
Clothes can make a big difference. Yet some of the things I wear are
still large (like panties, I'm blaming the alien). I am in a size 14
jeans, but I am beginning to see them as loose. I am afraid to even
try size 12 on. I know that's weird. Yet the really weird thing is
that eventhough I have lost more than 80 lbs, I am still wearing some
of the knit pants I wore before surgery, to work. They are loose,
but not so loose that I am floundering in them. Okay, I'll blame the
alien on that too. Can't wait until HE is gone.
Congratulations, Lora. Don't you just feel a burst of happiness when
you see a smaller size fits? I still have a closet full of clothes,
all from consignment and second hand stores. I am not buying any
summer clothes because of the alien. Although I may try the wrap
dresses that Lisa A suggested. I just have not seen any in the
second hand stores. Looks like I may have to actually buy something
new.
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] non-plus size pants!!!

2008-08-17 09:09:57

YIPPEEE!!!! I am so happy for you Lora! It will start melting off now. Just
don't buy anything at regular price now. I would not order from a cataloge
either - the stuff my not fit when you get it. :) I am so good that my
promise worked out! I hate to look like a liar!!!!
Lisa A
Lora <cicerogirl@...
I love the Lnads End sport knit pants... summer, winter, whatever.
They are soft, comfy, and still reasonably stylish for business casual
work environments. So... I was wearing 3x's when I had surgery (I wore
a pair into and home from the hospital in fact) and had a couple of
2x's and 1xs from before. Eventually, they fade in the wash (after MANY
weekly washings), so I needed to order a new pair this morning... in an
XL! "regular petite" instead of "plus petite"!!
Bonus: The blouse I have on at work today is an 18/20 and fits
perfectly! (Many of my other 18/20s are still too snug, but after not
dropping sizes for SO long, I'll take just a couple of 18's fitting!!!)
Ok, so I guess Lisa made good on her promise that the sizes WOULD
eventually come down... ;)
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)
Lisa A
284/271/168/135

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Jealousy

2008-08-17 06:46:23

Lizanne,
Jealosy is a nasty thing. Yes, my daughter is jealose of me now. The last
thing she said to me when she was leaving was that it was not fair that her
mother is more beautiful than she is. (Not goodbye or I love you.) It stung. I
am sure that you are feeling the same sort of pain from your sister. The harder
issue there is that she is taking it out on the other members of your family.
the thing you have to know is that addiction of ANY KIND can not be treated
until the person who is the addict wants to make the change. You and your
brother reached that point and finally came to the point of this surgery. Your
sister is still living in her addiction which is a familiar and comfortable
place. The unfortunate truth is that she may never be able to leave that place.
All you can do is remember that the only person you can change is you. I do not
know what to suggest to you for when she comes for visits. You might want to
pull her aside and say that you know that you
both look at the world differently but while she is in your home, she needs to
accept your rules and show you respect. What she does beyond that is out of
your control. I am sure that your mom will have a better sense of how you are
doing once she spends time with you. Then you always have the support of your
brother.
(((hugs)))
Lisa A
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Has anyone had to deal with jealousy from family members? What did
you do? I have read a few times about daughters getting jealous when
their mother loses a lot of weight. The girls generally have a lot
of pressure to look good, and the fact that their mother is looking
better can cause them more stress. But what about a 50 YO sister?
My mom is in Florida for the winter so wasn't with us at Easter. My
sister called her and told her that I look sickly and too thin. Now
at 5'3" and about 170 lbs, there is no way I look too thin....older
maybe, but not too thin. The sickly I figure comes from the paleness
of winter plus the darker wig which makes me look pretty white even
with blush.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that she is jealous, maybe
someone else has a different view. My mom was upset. She thought
maybe something was wrong and I wasn't admitting it. I told her all
my recent tests were wonderful and that I wasn't hiding anything
scarey.
My sister is overweight. She is about 5' 8 or 9" and weighs about
285. She says she is healthy and would never consider such a radical
surgery as the one my brother and I had. She told me that she
started exercising and has put on another 10 lbs. and she eats very
healthy according to her.
So what is your opinion, and what can I do about it? We have never
been on the best of terms because our personalities are diametrically
opposite. We have never agreed about anything, even the simplest
topics. She also abused my daughter one recent Christmas because she
thought I was a terrible mother and she was going to teach my
daughter a lesson. I just have to see her every holiday and more
during the summer with my mom being up here in Maryland, and I would
like to have as little stress as possible.
Or should I just ignore her. That upsets my mom though. Puts her in
the middle, sorta.
Lizanne
Lisa A
284/271/168/135

Re: Jealousy

2008-08-17 00:39:24

I have a very small family (only one (surviving) brother, no
sisters), so I have not faced it from family members, but I do have a
(former?) friend from grad school who almost had the surgery (she got
scared) and who has refused to speak to me (and ignored me the one
time I saw her at a store after she found out I was PLANNING the
surgery).
It sounds to me like your sister probably IS at least a little
jealous. Surely she knows deep down that she would not weigh so much
if she TRULY ate a healthy diet and that (eventually) her health will
begin to deteriorate because of the weight. Esepcially if she is the
only sibling who has NOT had the surgery, she may be feeling pressure
(internal, not from you or your brother) about being the "last fat
one" and may resent you for "making her feel that way". I could be
completely wrong, of course, but those are the things that popped
into my mind based on my training and the various clients I have
worked with.
Since you don't have a good relationship with her now, it seems
unlikely (although not impossible) that you can talk this through
with her. Do you think it would be possible to just be cordial to
her (not overly friendly, but also not ingoring her), knowing that
your weight loss success (!) may be making her even more unhappy
about her own weight issues? Sometimes understanding where the
vitriol or unpleasantness is coming from makes it easier to tolerate
someone, and for the sake of the family it probably IS necessary to
tolerate her... or at least will make things less trained among the
entire family.
(Now the issue with her and your daughter... well, that sounds like
another matter entirely...)
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)

new show on TLC - pain

2008-08-16 12:09:31

I agree with you completely when it comes to short term, Naomi... I have tennis
elbow and never ever indicate to anyone when I get shooting pains. Most people
have no clue I even have it. However, my patients don't just come in for an
hour now and then, they are in the program from 8 to 5, 5 days a week, for 6
weeks. You can't cover up your pain for that long, playing volleyball and
badminton and engaging in other activities. I think I am pretty good at being
able to tell who is in real pain. (they are usually the quiet ones who never
complain). Also, I am not saying that they are not in *any* pain (Don't forget,
my job is pain management. 100% of my patients are there due to chronic
pain)... but if you tell me that your pain is 10/10, which is the most
excrutiating pain imaginable, then I would expect that you can't sit and carry
on a normal conversation and play games... at that point you need to go to the
emergency room.
I would also never accept "good" "fine" or "better" as a response to how the
pain is... I always want numbers. And I never compare one person's numbers to
another person's numbers... I only compare them to themselves. They are asked
to rate their pain several times during the day. I had a patient who drove over
a landmine in Iraq, shattering 7 bones. He rated that pain (at the time it
happened) as 8/10. Another patient rated a sprained thumb as 11/10. It's all
subjective.
Pat
Naomi Moschgat <nsmoschgat@...
I am not trying to negate the opinions of the professionals on this
group, but I am guilty of plastering a very fake smile on my face as I limp and
grimmace on the inside. I also am guilty of being stupid at dr's offices. Quick
story - I fell, broke my tibia in 2 places, did a complete acl, and dislocated
my kneecap. At the end of 2 months of rest, ice, and phy therapy, I could walk
with the aid of a brace and crutches. I went to the dr and he asked how I was
doing and I said "good" (Frankly, I was a heck of a lot better than I was the
month before and felt it was an honest answer) I was denied ltd because of my
answer!!!! I still could only stand for a few moments, still was in pain, still
could barely walk, but I was GOOD in my mind. I felt I could have been worse. My
point is I don't think you can always tell by peoples faces and their fake
smiles!! Of course, I am also sure in a one on one, a trained person can look
beyond the fake smiles if you are
experienced. Naomi
Lora <cicerogirl@...
LOL. When I was doing my counseling internship, I had the same thing
(only with mental health rather than physical)... clients would come
in all cheery and fine and then as soon as they sat down they would
start telling me how completely debilitating their anxiety or
depression was. It didn't take me long to figure out that I could
expect the Social Security disability papers to arrive shortly for
those clients. Unfortunately, this is one case where the info on the
internet about symptoms of various disorders makes it much easier for
people TRY to fake a psychological disability. My momma didn't raise
no fool... AND I paid close attention in my diagnosis courses!
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)

Jealousy

2008-08-16 08:17:22

Has anyone had to deal with jealousy from family members? What did
you do? I have read a few times about daughters getting jealous when
their mother loses a lot of weight. The girls generally have a lot
of pressure to look good, and the fact that their mother is looking
better can cause them more stress. But what about a 50 YO sister?
My mom is in Florida for the winter so wasn't with us at Easter. My
sister called her and told her that I look sickly and too thin. Now
at 5'3" and about 170 lbs, there is no way I look too thin....older
maybe, but not too thin. The sickly I figure comes from the paleness
of winter plus the darker wig which makes me look pretty white even
with blush.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that she is jealous, maybe
someone else has a different view. My mom was upset. She thought
maybe something was wrong and I wasn't admitting it. I told her all
my recent tests were wonderful and that I wasn't hiding anything
scarey.
My sister is overweight. She is about 5' 8 or 9" and weighs about
285. She says she is healthy and would never consider such a radical
surgery as the one my brother and I had. She told me that she
started exercising and has put on another 10 lbs. and she eats very
healthy according to her.
So what is your opinion, and what can I do about it? We have never
been on the best of terms because our personalities are diametrically
opposite. We have never agreed about anything, even the simplest
topics. She also abused my daughter one recent Christmas because she
thought I was a terrible mother and she was going to teach my
daughter a lesson. I just have to see her every holiday and more
during the summer with my mom being up here in Maryland, and I would
like to have as little stress as possible.
Or should I just ignore her. That upsets my mom though. Puts her in
the middle, sorta.
Lizanne

non-plus size pants!!!

2008-08-16 02:56:47

I love the Lnads End sport knit pants... summer, winter, whatever.
They are soft, comfy, and still reasonably stylish for business casual
work environments. So... I was wearing 3x's when I had surgery (I wore
a pair into and home from the hospital in fact) and had a couple of
2x's and 1xs from before. Eventually, they fade in the wash (after MANY
weekly washings), so I needed to order a new pair this morning... in an
XL! "regular petite" instead of "plus petite"!!
Bonus: The blouse I have on at work today is an 18/20 and fits
perfectly! (Many of my other 18/20s are still too snug, but after not
dropping sizes for SO long, I'll take just a couple of 18's fitting!!!)
Ok, so I guess Lisa made good on her promise that the sizes WOULD
eventually come down... ;)
Lora
(-120 pounds, 7 months post-op)

Staples

2008-08-15 21:43:31

With my open surgery I had staples....lot and lots of staples. Ah,
but with the tummy tuck there will be no staples....glue, I think.

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Bonnie's day so far...

2008-08-15 16:23:12

LOL!!! It is always the way isn't it!!!! Some days are better than others!
One day at a time! Have a good trip!
Maria

Bonnie's day so far...

2008-08-15 12:13:25

I just left my house at 9 am to mail a package at the post office, buy some
cake supplies at Walmart and get a pedicure and fill at the nail tech place.
Post Office went fast... Got what I needed at Walmart ... Drove to the nail
salon and got there at 9:45. There was already two people waiting and 8 more
showed up to wait until they opened at 10. Well it got to be 10:15 and I
gave up. I said they were closed yesterday so maybe they are closed today as
well... And I got in my car to drive away and I saw the owners drive up!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR... My impatience jumped up and bit me in the butt once
again!! Now I have to wait until this afternoon to go back down there.
I have to get them done today because I am working overtime on Mon and Tues
Wed night I have to bake a huge cake. Thurs night I have to do laundry,
pack and decorate the cake. Friday morning at 7 am I fly out to Florida. So
.. Today is the only day to get nails and feet taken care of. Can't go to
Florida with raggidy nails and rough feet. I am such a girly girl!! Lol
Bonnie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] No Potassium Supplemen

2008-08-15 04:09:15

Thanks Pat,
I wouldn't want to pass on this one. I told my husband if the house was on
fire I would barley get outside, I was so weak. I actually had muscle and
bone pain. I've never had bone pain, I had to pull out my post op Lortab to
be able to sleep. But now that I'm on the other side, I'm happy with the
weight loss :o)
I hope you can get off the potassium, ulcers are a scary side effect I can
live without.
Edie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Good News!

2008-08-14 19:42:25

Wonderful news, April! I'm happy that things are happening for you so quickly
:) Keep us posted on your progress!
Pat
APRIL REYNOLDS <reynolds2422@...
Hey everyone, my name is April. I am pretty new to the group. So today
i had an appt with my doc to get the referral for the Gastric Bypass
surgery. I went in she is a nice lady!! Well she referred me!!!!! I am
sooo excited! I can't wait. She said that surgery would call me within
10 days to set up my appt for Super Tuesday. So I get home and about 2
hours later they called me!!!! My appt for Super Tuesday is April 15th.
I couldn't believe how fast they called me. Super Tuesday is 7 hours
long. You go in they have you meet the surgeons, the nurses too. They
basically tell you everything you will go through. Then they let you go
for a bit to schedule your 4 appts you have to have in order to do the
surgery. Then you have to go to a support group meeting. I am so
excited I can hardly contain my self lol. I will be so restless the
next 2 weeks. I just wanted to share my good news with ya'll.
April

Re: Good News!

2008-08-14 13:05:56

That's great news, April! Congrats!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/173/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] pre nats

2008-08-14 08:32:02

I am going for complete blood tests in about 4 to 5 weeks so I will find out
then if I am getting too much or not enough of anything.
I don't know how the iron will affect me... I had a hysterectomy. I asked the
surgeon about it and he said that many people get anemic after this surgery so
he wants everyone to take iron supplements for at least a while afterward. He
prescribed iron supplements as well as the prenatals... but I don't take them.
Before anyone says anything about not following drs orders... I told him I
wasn't taking them, and why, and he said not to worry about them. I'll find out
where I stand when they do the blood work.
Pat
"Mary B." <hunnybear713@...
Pat,
I was put on prenatals too right after surgery and I was told I needed to
come off of them because being post menaposal, I was getting too much iron.
Mary in FL

Re: new show on TLC

2008-08-14 00:29:43

Lora it is tapping on the pressure points for anxiety and using self thought
and pressure points on the fingers with others. I thought what a lot of
what he had to say made sense. I tried to one for stress and anxiety and it
did work for me but might not for others.
Mary in FL

pre nats

2008-08-13 22:44:59

Pat,
I was put on prenatals too right after surgery and I was told I needed to
come off of them because being post menaposal, I was getting too much iron.
Mary in FL

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] No Potassium Supplement

2008-08-13 10:16:04

Lizanne,
Thanks for checking for me, but more important is that Mary got that
info. good to know. I also asked this question on another site and
"Vitalady" said she has used Keflex successfully. So there you go, I found
one that someone has used with no problems.
I found a good reason for this cold, I've lost 5 lbs in the past 3 days!!!
I've been at a 2 to 2.5 loss per week for quite a while, a little slower
than I like but it's consistent and I'll take it, but, Yeah for me on the
big drop! I only hope it doesn't pop back up when I do :o)
So here's my stats, I haven't posted in awhile.
Edie
302/226/150's
I'm half way!!!
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:40 PM, lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Amy

2008-08-13 05:35:16

Thanks for the update Pat. Glad she did well in surgery.
If they used staples did they do it open or lap? My incisions weren't big
enough to bother with staples.
Debby
"pat.0913" <pat.0913@...
Amy's husband just called me. She is out of surgery and all went
well. He said she was groggy and working on waking up, so I asked him
to call back and let me know when she was up and walking. He said
that by then she would probably be the one calling :)
He said they put staples and would probably be removing them Friday,
so they are going to stay in town until then.
I'll keep you all posted.
Pat

[WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Goodbye My Friend

2008-08-13 01:46:39

Hey Judy, Bonnie and all-
I thought I was he only one! I wrote out a "will" told my husband where the
insurances were, what to pay off with it, how much will be left and what to do
with it, etc.... Judy, Honey, we are/were all scared. And myself for few
reasons. I was scared that I would die as a result of being overweight and un
healthy, afraid I would die from complications from surgery and I am still
afraid that I could still screw this up and it not working after a while. This
is a HUGE undertaking all the way around. So to even consider it, prepare for
it and make the commitment to go through with it takes COURAGE. And all of
you/us should be proud of yourselves/ourselves for taking the steps to do this
and to know you are NOT ALONE! So Judy girl, I am a phone call a way! you have
my number!
You are now one day closer to that healthy lifestyle you DESERVE and have worked
so hard for!
Take care! God Bless!
Maria
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Judy R. <losingforlife08@...
From: Judy R. <losingforlife08@...
Subject: Re: Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] Goodbye My Friend

Good News!

2008-08-12 22:10:30

Hey everyone, my name is April. I am pretty new to the group. So today
i had an appt with my doc to get the referral for the Gastric Bypass
surgery. I went in she is a nice lady!! Well she referred me!!!!! I am
sooo excited! I can't wait. She said that surgery would call me within
10 days to set up my appt for Super Tuesday. So I get home and about 2
hours later they called me!!!! My appt for Super Tuesday is April 15th.
I couldn't believe how fast they called me. Super Tuesday is 7 hours
long. You go in they have you meet the surgeons, the nurses too. They
basically tell you everything you will go through. Then they let you go
for a bit to schedule your 4 appts you have to have in order to do the
surgery. Then you have to go to a support group meeting. I am so
excited I can hardly contain my self lol. I will be so restless the
next 2 weeks. I just wanted to share my good news with ya'll.
April

Medications

2008-08-12 18:01:57

This has a whole lot of information about medications. It is written
as one paragraph. I will try to break it up, but I am at work.
Please take time to read it so that you can be more prepared if you
need meds. Also, since synthroid (thyroid meds) are brought up
frequently by our members, make sure you read the part about taking
Pepcid and synthroid.
Medications and the Gastric Bypass Patient by Michael McEvoy Pharm.D.
As a medication travels through the body, it undergoes four* distinct
phases: Absorption Distribution Metabolism * Not all drugs are
metabolized, some are excreted unchanged Excretion Patients with
liver disease may have problems metabolizing medications; patients
with kidney disease may have problems excreting drugs. Gastric bypass
patients will have a variable absorption of medications, based on the
chemical characteristics of the medication and on the physical
properties of the dosage form (meaning: "the finished product"
tablet, capsule, etc.) containing the active ingredient.
First a chemistry lesson (it won't be too painful). Medications, like
all chemicals can exist to two states: ionized and un-ionized. When
you dissolve a teaspoonful of table salt in a glass of water, the
sodium ions (represented by the chemical symbol Na+) separate from
the chloride ions (represented by the chemical symbol Cl-). The Na+
and CI- are said to be 'ionized.' When you dissolve a teaspoon of
sugar in a glass of water, no separation into electrically charged
particles takes place. The sugar is in an un-ionized state. Salt and
sugar serve as examples of what happens to medications.
Medications are best absorbed by our bodies in the un-ionized state.
Most medications can be described as the salts of weak acids or weak
bases. By 'salt' we mean that one chemical combines with another
chemical to make a new compound. The salt of a weak base and a strong
acid, such as ranitidine HCI (Zantac ®) is un-ionized in the presence
of a stronger base (like small intestine juices.) The salt of a weak
acid and a strong base, such as sodium phenobarbital (Luminal ®) is
un-ionized in the presence of a stronger acid (like stomach juices.)
The small intestines are bathed in secretions which are basic
(meaning alkaline, not acidic), so drugs that are salts of weak bases
are best absorbed there. Gastric bypass patients should have no
trouble absorbing these types of medications. A clue to whether a
medication is the salt of a weak acid or base can be found in the
generic name. Medications that are "sodium something", "potassium
something", "calcium- or magnesium something" are salts of weak
acids. Medications that are something-HCI (hydrogen chloride) or
something-HBr (hydrogen bromide) are salts of weak bases. The "sodium
or potassium-something" drugs present the most problems with
absorption. They are best absorbed in the presence of stomach acid,
which is in very short supply on our pouches. There will be some
absorption in the ionized state in our small intestines.
Fortunately, our small intestines are VERY LONG and have a large
surface area to absorb the medication. Medications are absorbed in
the small intestines by passive non-ionic diffusion. Think of the
intestinal wall like a sponge that picks up the medication and
transports it from one edge of the sponge to the other, delivering it
to the bloodstream. The rate and extent of absorption in passive non-
ionic diffusion will be erratic and may vary from one Gastric Bypass
patient to another.
A recent report in the April 27th 2006 issue of the New England
Journal of Medicine again shows the importance of stomach acid in the
absorption of certain medications. Patients who were on proton pump
inhibitors (medications such as Prilosec ® (omeprazole) , Nexium ®,
Protonix ®, and Prevacid ®) as part of the treatment of the ulcer
causing bacteria Helicobacter pylori were found to have mal-
absorption of the thyroid drug thyroxine sodium (Synthroid ®). The
study stated "patients with impaired acid secretion require an
increased dose of thyroxine, suggesting that normal gastric acid
secretion is necessary for the effective absorption of oral
thyroxine."5
Many patients who have had gastric bypass surgery also have other
medical problems which require medication for their treatment. In the
May-June 2005 issue of Psychosomatics, a study was published which
looked at the dissolution of common psychiatric medications in a Roux-
en-Y gastric bypass model. It found that ten of twenty two
psychiatric medication preparations had significantly less
dissolution and two of twenty two medications had significantly
greater dissolution in the post-RYGB environment, as compared with a
control group. The medications were crushed in this study, which
differs from clinical practice and that may account for the greater
dissolution of the two medications. This study made no attempt to
determine differences in absorbtion, however. Further study into the
effects of RYGB surgery on serum blood levels is required.6
Some guidelines for your physician came from a review of this and
other recent studies. Immediate release medications are preferred
over time release medications. Monitor the levels of medications in
the blood, if such monitoring exists (not all drugs can be monitored
in this way). For drugs with a small volume of distribution (Vd)
[this will mean something to your doctor, as a patient you need not
worry about what this means], a lower maintenance dose may be
required because of a decreased glomerular filtration rate which
follows marked weight loss. Drugs such as lithium carbonate, valproic
acid and oxcarbazine are common psychiatric medications with small
Vd.7
The good news is that most patients after RYGB surgery require fewer
medications, or at least reduced dosages of medications then they
needed prior to the surgery.8
Other considerations: Enteric coated tablets are designed to pass
through the stomach acid intact and be dissolved in the small
intestines. They should present no problem to the Gastric Bypass
patient. Controlled release dosage forms, however, may have erratic
absorption as many (but not all) controlled release dosage forms
depend on stomach acid to dissolve the coatings of the "tiny time
pills". Suggest that your doctor prescribe immediate release
preparations, even though this may mean that you have to take the
medication multiple times a day instead of only once or twice a day.
Medications that require stomach acid for activation are another
matter. The ulcer medication sucralfate (Carafate ®) (which I hope
none of you will need!) requires stomach acid to attach itself as a
protective coating over the ulcer.
More important to us is calcium carbonate. Calcium is largely
absorbed from the duodenum by an active transport system, which is
bypassed during Roux-En-Y surgery. Calcium carbonate (Tums®) is
frequently recommended for calcium supplementation because it
contains a higher percentage of calcium than other calcium salts. But
Calcium carbonate is a less soluble salt, which requires stomach acid
to get into solution, which makes it absorbable. Ionized or
unionized, the medication must be in solution to be of any use to
you: if it is not in solution, it does you no good. Gastric bypass
patients should take a more soluble form of calcium, such as calcium
citrate (Citracal ®), or better yet, get your calcium from your diet
(Got cheese?)
Do not forget to take your vitamins. Because of impaired absorption,
you should be taking at least two times the RDA of most vitamins.
Don't worry about the water soluble vitamins; you body will discard
those in excess of your body's need. You may find that the excess
riboflavin colors your urine a bright yellow; this is normal. Fat
soluble vitamins (A, D, E, and K) can accumulate if taken in great
excess, but this will not be a problem, unless you take large doses.
And these fat soluble vitamins are important. There can be visual
problems in post RYGB patients who do not get enough vitamin A, such
as dryness of the conjunctiva and cornea. The condition can even
progress to night blindness with severe vitamin A deficiency.9 Roux-
En-Y patients should get at least 7000 10,000 international units
(IU) of vitamin A daily, 400 800 IU of vitamin D daily, and 400
800 IU of vitamin E daily. For duodenal switch patients, whose
absorption is even more impaired, the recommendations are 1 ½ times
the recommendations for RNY patients. Lap band patient do not suffer
from malabsorbtion, but should consider supplementation at least to
the recommended Daily Value, as indicated on the package label as
100% DV. Dosages of vitamin A greater than 10,000 15,000 IU of
vitamin A can result in adverse affects to the liver, skin, hair, and
can cause visual changes. Pregnant females should consult their
obstetrician for guidance, as high intake of vitamin A can have risks
to the fetus.11
Calcification of soft tissue or hypercalcemia can occur with vitamin
D intake
are commonly prescribed in Alzheimer's patients, yet some
gastrointestinal (GI) effects can occur, along with blood thinning"
anti-platlet effects with daily intakes of greater than 800 IU per
day. The %DV for vitamin K is approximately 75 mcg. Patients who are
taking the blood thinner Coumadin ® (warfarin sodium) should only
take vitamin K supplements as advised by your physician, as vitamin K
opposes the effects of Coumadin®; indeed vitamin K is given as
an "antidote" to patients whose blood has been overly thinned with
Coumadin®. So take your vitamins! But don't over do the ADEKs.
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) requires both stomach acid and a
substance secreted by the stomach called "intrinsic factor" for
absorption via the oral route. You should be using a sublingual
('under the tongue") tablet or spray as your B12 supplement, as this
bypasses the absorption problem altogether.
Iron, like calcium, is largely absorbed in the duodenum. Like calcium
carbonate, ferrous sulfate is frequently recommended for iron
supplementation because it contains a higher percentage of iron than
other iron salts. Also like calcium carbonate, ferrous sulfate is a
less soluble salt, which requires stomach acid to get into solution.
Gastric bypass patients should take a more soluble form of iron, such
as ferrous fumarate (Ferro Sequels ®, Femiron ®), ferrous gluconate
(Fergon ®), or a polysaccharide iron complex (Niferex ®). Remember to
separate your calcium and iron supplement by at least two hours.

No Potassium Supplements

2008-08-12 10:56:22

I was looking for info on antibiotics for Edie and found this. Mary
this is especially for you because you are telling us you are taking
potassium supplements.
Drugs that are corrosive to
the gastric lining are not recommended
for patients. (i.e.:
Aspirin, Non steroidal anti-inflammatory
drugs - Ibuprofen
and naproxen, Potassium
supplements, to name a few).
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Home Exercise Workou

2008-08-12 01:45:23

Thanks Lizanne,
I've been looking for an "old fashioned"