Weight Loss Surgery Info

Hi Lora,
I am so sorry you had such an ordeal getting the filter placed!
Ouch!
Rest up and remember - it is all going to be worth it in the end!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/164/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Well, according to THAT, I *am* big boned. (and, since the only finger
I can touch with my thumb when I encircle my wrist is my middle
(longest) finger, I'm big boned according to the one I posted, too).
Hmmm...
Lora

This helps a lot.
http://www.am-i-fat.com/body_frame_size.html

I'm definitely a medium. That's based on a wrist and elbow
measurement from the physical exam before I started a liquid diet
several years ago. Also, I cannot QUITE touch my finger and thumb
when I encircle my wrist (and there is no fat left on my wrist), I
have large knee caps (yay, I can actually see them clearly now!).
All I have to do is look at the size of my hands/fingers, wrists, and
knee caps compared to my mom's to know I'm a medium. (Of course, for
years I *wanted* to be able to say I was "big boned", but I knew it
wasn't true!)
Lora

I really don't know for sure what my bone structure is. I tend to think
I'm medium boned because although I'm very short, I have fingers that
are thicker than those of most women I know. A little longer than
average, but thick.
I've asked doctors what my frame size is, but have never gotten a
straight answer. I've tried measuring my wrist or using calipers to get
a measurement for my elbow. It's hard to do on yourself. I'm not sure
I'm measuring in the right place, either.
Before surgery, I couldn't encircle my wrist and have my thumb touch my
finger. Now I can do it, and have just a bit of overlap.
Jill
-31.0

I really think that the portions you get in a restaurant are so much bigger than
you would ever think of serving yourself at home. we went to Dennys (I know -
gross but it fit the budget) and i ordered a meatloaf dinner (which was really
good by the way) I was only able to eat about 1/6 of the plate of food. It was
enough to literally feed me and my 2 little children (7 and 9 years). It amazed
me. It is true that everything is richer though. I scraped off a lot of the
gravy because I was scared about the fat levels.
Lisa A
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Dawn,
Do you think you eat less when at a restaurant than when you are
home? I find that usually I can't seem to finish even half my meal,
eventhough it generally is a salad and an appetizer when I am out.
But I have no problem finishing a meal when I am home. Must have
something to do with the richness of food served out. I guess?
Lizanne
251/174/125

Happy Birthday Laurie,
Hope you have a great day.
Debby

Well, I am back to work today. Ready or not. I am still lacking
energy. Changed my food pattern a little, had my protein drink in
the car on the way to work. I commute abt and hour each direction,
so had lots of time to get it down. Had my "breakfast" about 10 AM.
Only 950 more work e-mails to go thru and maybe sneak out a bit early.
Valeri

Tiramisu Pudding
PER SERVING (entire recipe): 166 calories, 1g fat, 297mg sodium, 24g
carbs, 0g fiber, 7g sugars, 14g protein -- POINTS® value 3*
Face it -- ladyfingers are overrated. Here's a creamy, cocoa-dusted
dream come true!
Ingredients:
1/2 cup fat-free ricotta cheese
1/2 container Jell-O Sugar Free Vanilla Pudding Snack
1/4 cup Cool Whip Free, thawed
2 tbsp. Splenda No Calorie Sweetener (granulated)
1/4 tsp. vanilla extract
1/4 tsp. unsweetened cocoa powder
Directions:
Combine the ricotta cheese, pudding, Cool Whip, Splenda, and vanilla
extract. Stir until smooth. Sprinkle with cocoa powder. Dig in!
MAKES 1 SERVING
Quickie Caramel Custard
PER SERVING (entire recipe): 88 calories, 0g fat, 61mg sodium, 8g
carbs, <0.5g fiber, 6g sugars, 13g protein -- POINTS® value 2*
Flan-flavored Fage? AMAZING!
Ingredients:
One 5.3-oz. container Fage Total 0% Greek Yogurt
1 tbsp. Splenda No Calorie Sweetener (granulated)
1 1/2 tsp. Torani Sugar Free Caramel Syrup
1/4 tsp. cinnamon
Directions:
Mix all ingredients together and serve with your favorite spoon!
MAKES 1 SERVING
HG Tip! Can't find Torani at the store (or don't feel like purchasing
an entire bottle)? Just stop by Starbucks and order a shot of their
sugar-free caramel syrup to go.

I can't do "steak" very well, either... nor cheap hamburger (although
I had part of a burger from Max & Erma's and it was yummy and chewed
up just fine). If I get beef, I usually splurge and get filet mignon
(one lasts me about 4 meals) which chews up and digests wonderfully!
Lora

I had to do that for my hysterectomy... but thank God I didn't have to for my
GBS! I used lemonade crystal light back then... but it didn't help much!

Pat
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, the_sander_family <the_sander_family@...
From: the_sander_family <the_sander_family@...
Subject: [WLS Friendship & Support] Uccck!!!

Theresa,
How do you eat your steak...rare, medium, well done? My theory is
that if you eat steak rare or medium rare, you have no problems.
It's when you eat a more cooked steak that there is a problem. Try
cooking it a little less and cut it against the gain. Steak was the
first and only meat I could eat for a while after surgery.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Jeannie,
I have a cousin-in-law who swears that there are so many grants for
women who want to go back to school that no woman should ever pay for
school. She hasn't paid for any of her schooling. You might want to
look into that.
Lizanne

Lora, your picture is absolutely beautiful! You really should be so
proud of the progress you've made.
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/164/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Dawn,
Do you think you eat less when at a restaurant than when you are
home? I find that usually I can't seem to finish even half my meal,
eventhough it generally is a salad and an appetizer when I am out.
But I have no problem finishing a meal when I am home. Must have
something to do with the richness of food served out. I guess?
Lizanne
251/174/125

My mail box is full, so it will take me awhile to respond to all, it's
taken me all day to figure out how to post......LOL
I've already gotten some great advice and incouragement, I just hope
that I will have something of value to contribute, have to go put my
daughter to bed now.

Wow! It sounds like your friend has some serious problems with her
husband losing the weight. It's insulting to him that she thinks
he "can't" or "won't" do it. Trust me, I doubt I could have stuck to
the plan without having my tool to help me.
Is she worried that he'll get buff and dump her? I have to wonder if
she belittles him in other areas and justifies it b/c he is fat and
doesn't "deserve" to be treated better.
Oh yeah... I was a "healthy" fat person... If you ignore my creeping
blood pressure, my aching knees and back, and endless carbo cravings.
Just my 2 cents....
Jeannie

Hi Pauleen,
I'm so glad you're receiving support from someone in your family - it
is so important! Your mom will com around, once she sees how hard
you really will have to work at losing this weight (even with
surgery). We all go through SO much - it's not easy to just give it
all up and go back to where we were. I know I for one will fight it
100% of the way!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/177/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

What a selfish witch! She just doesn't want him to steal her thunder and/or
she doesn't want to care for him after surgery. I would carefully consider
wether or not I would want to remain friends with her. She may turn on you
someday as well. I would watch my back with that one!!!
Just my humble opinion...
Bonnie

Congratulations Susan!!!! Wonderville is cute... not quite the same feel as
Onederland (Wonderland), but I like it!! :)
Pat

Hi Lora,
My surgeon said he wanted me at 120, my NUT said 125, and my
bariatric internist that does the majority of my follow-up care said
115. According to the link you sent (which I love, by the way . . .
thanks!!), I am only 30 lbs. away from the normal weight and BMI for
my height and age. However, it also showed that I am still 63 lbs.
from my goal. (I decided to shoot for what my BI wants since he's who
I'll see most.)
I'm not sure I'll ever reach the goals that any of them have set for
me, but I can try. I've heard that no matter what goal you set for
yourself, your body will do the actual determining of what you will
weigh when you have achieved your personal correct weight. I guess
I'll have to see if that's right.
Jill
-30.8

Pauleen,
We want you to be happy with yourself. I know that you can do it. How great
that your aunt is behind you. Is she your moms sister? I wonder if she will
talk to your mom and bring her over to your side. No matter what, you have your
hubby and children as your cheerleaders - and then there are all of us!
Lisa A
Pauleen McCollum <mcco2lum@...
I got an email from my aunt today about a virus. I emailed her back to
tell her I looked into it and it's a real virus. For some reason, I told her
about my surgery. I didn't really expect a reply, but she was so positive. She
told me how proud she is of me for doing this. I wish my mom could understand.
My mom thinks I'm taking the easy way out, and that I'll gain all the weight
back in a couple years. My mom always expects the worst of me, and I hate to say
I usually prove her right. I've messed up a lot of things in my life, but this
isn't going to be one of them.
Pauleen

Lisa A
284/271/170/135

I got an email from my aunt today about a virus. I emailed her back to tell her
I looked into it and it's a real virus. For some reason, I told her about my
surgery. I didn't really expect a reply, but she was so positive. She told me
how proud she is of me for doing this. I wish my mom could understand. My mom
thinks I'm taking the easy way out, and that I'll gain all the weight back in a
couple years. My mom always expects the worst of me, and I hate to say I usually
prove her right. I've messed up a lot of things in my life, but this isn't going
to be one of them.
Pauleen

Hi,
I live north of Detroit, I'd be game.
Edie

Hi everyone!
I just posted my one year surgiversary photo. I look at this picture
and compare it to my first one, and I am absolutely amazed.
I look back over the last year and say wow. I am very proud of my
accomplishments and the hurdles that I've overcome. Food is no longer
my focus - health is. So much has changed, so much has happened. But
it all led to this day and to me feeling as good as I feel (sin
accident, of course). I mean, how could I not. I'm down 114 lbs since
my surgery day and I have 24 lbs left until goal. I can't even begin
to remember the last time I was able to say that. I don't think there
was EVER a day I could say that.
Amazing.
Hope you all have a great weekend!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/164/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Lora,
The goal wt I set for myself is 140. That number is purely an emotional
decision. I am the same height as you. I picked it because that is what I
weighed when I married. I remember thinking I was fat and wanted to lose 20
pounds.(It's all perspective isn't it? LOL) Looking back on my pictures I was a
little chubby but looked good. At my age ( 49 in 1 1/2 weeks) after 25 years of
marriage and 3 kids I think it is unrealistic to think I can get back to where I
was in High school. I can live with a little chubby. My surgeon however said he
will be happy with 160-165. I definately won't. I know I will feel like I failed
if my weight loss stops there. At my height I will still be in the unhealthy
range. I want to be out of the obese range this year.
Debby
Lora <cicerogirl@...
I guess since today is my 6-month anni, it's kind of appropriate to
post this today.
The goal weight I set for myself (125) is 10-20 pounds lower than the
goal weight that my PCP (135-140) and surgeon suggested (145) as
realistic goals. I am only 5' 3.5" tall and have a medium frame...
but I'm over 40 and have had big boobs since I was 10 (all the women
on the side of the family I look like had them, so that's not likely
to change with the weight loss).
When I saw my PCP 2 weeks ago he expressed concern about my goal
weight... that I would be discouraged/depressed if I did not meet it.
(He's probably right!) My lowest adult weight was 150, and although
that still left me with a thick tummy and heavy thighs (or what *I*
thought were heavy thighs AT THE TIME!), it was pretty comfortable for
me... and I realize that, although I might LIKE to be 25 pounds under
that, an additional 25 pounds lower than that might NOT be
maintainable. Heck, I don't even really know what anything under 150
would look like on me, let alone 125 -- 25 pounds hasn't made all that
much difference so far, but I'm still believing those of you who have
PROMISED (Lisa!) that eventually 15 pounds or so will mean a clothing
size change.
After looking at the site someone on OH gave, I think maybe I *do*
need to adjust my goal. (http://www.thinnerself.com/files/calculator.htm)
It lists 157 as a "normal" weight for my height and age. I don't want
to give up on 125 entirely, but I also don't want to set my self up
for a huge disappointment... not after all the hard work I have put in.
So now, as I ponder this issue, I'm curious about how other people
came up with their goal weights...
Lora
(-106 pounds in 6 months)

Jeannie,
I'm glad you're working on staying calm. How did the interview go for the job
that was out of state for you? (sorry I forgot what state you were thinking of
moving to.) How long will you need to go to school for the lab job you want?I
hope you find a job that you love soon.
Debby
Jeannie <jmartino_leclerc@...
Hi Guys,
I've been reading all the posts, and it seems as if more and more of
us are unemployed.
I am trying to remain calm, did okay today. Last night I went to a
support group at church. It was helpful in some ways, but very scary
in others. Most of the folks there had been unemployed for 6+ months,
and I cannot afford that. I wonder if this was a last ditch effort on
their parts.....
I do have an appt. next week w/someone from the state. I am now a
displaced aerospace worker, and I want to get into health care
(clinical lab.) So, I hit two of the categories for re-training $$.
It sounds as if I'll have no problem getting the $$ for school, the
issue is paying the bills in the meantime. I think I am too old to go
to school FT and work FT. Guess I'll see what my options are. I may
be able to get federal loans, but I hate to get a loan to pay a
loan... (Mortgage, etc.) I may rent out a room, but that seems like a
scary prospect unless I already know the person.
Eating-wise, I'm okay. I am still losing, and if I lose another 7
pounds my RD will consider me under-weight and slap me. She wanted
me to add 1/2 cup of nuts to my diet, but frankly, they are so
expensive, that I hate the thought of spending that much $$ on me. (I
know, I know, but I am still in panic mode here.)
Sigh, just felt like venting. You guys are the most contact I get
these days. I hate staying home with no real place to go every day.
Jeannie
Lap RNY 2/12/07
244/140/done

Jeannie, I'm so glad you are managing to stay positive. As someone
else who is single with a mortgage and who just got a temporary
reprieve from a March 14th layoff (it's been moved to late May), I
understand that sense of fear. Keep in mind that some of the people
at the support group might have limited skills or came out of jobs in
unique areas... so their job search might not be representative of the
job climate in your area in general.
I did the FT work and FT school for 2 years while I got my counseling
master's degree, and I have to admit that, even though I loved my
classes and professors, it was VERY stressful. If you need to do it,
though, remember... it will onyl be temporary... it won't last forever!
Hang in there, ok?
Lora
(-106 pounds)

Hi Guys,
I've been reading all the posts, and it seems as if more and more of
us are unemployed.
I am trying to remain calm, did okay today. Last night I went to a
support group at church. It was helpful in some ways, but very scary
in others. Most of the folks there had been unemployed for 6+ months,
and I cannot afford that. I wonder if this was a last ditch effort on
their parts.....
I do have an appt. next week w/someone from the state. I am now a
displaced aerospace worker, and I want to get into health care
(clinical lab.) So, I hit two of the categories for re-training $$.
It sounds as if I'll have no problem getting the $$ for school, the
issue is paying the bills in the meantime. I think I am too old to go
to school FT and work FT. Guess I'll see what my options are. I may
be able to get federal loans, but I hate to get a loan to pay a
loan... (Mortgage, etc.) I may rent out a room, but that seems like a
scary prospect unless I already know the person.
Eating-wise, I'm okay. I am still losing, and if I lose another 7
pounds my RD will consider me under-weight and slap me. She wanted
me to add 1/2 cup of nuts to my diet, but frankly, they are so
expensive, that I hate the thought of spending that much $$ on me. (I
know, I know, but I am still in panic mode here.)
Sigh, just felt like venting. You guys are the most contact I get
these days. I hate staying home with no real place to go every day.
Jeannie
Lap RNY 2/12/07
244/140/done

I guess since today is my 6-month anni, it's kind of appropriate to
post this today.
The goal weight I set for myself (125) is 10-20 pounds lower than the
goal weight that my PCP (135-140) and surgeon suggested (145) as
realistic goals. I am only 5' 3.5" tall and have a medium frame...
but I'm over 40 and have had big boobs since I was 10 (all the women
on the side of the family I look like had them, so that's not likely
to change with the weight loss).
When I saw my PCP 2 weeks ago he expressed concern about my goal
weight... that I would be discouraged/depressed if I did not meet it.
(He's probably right!) My lowest adult weight was 150, and although
that still left me with a thick tummy and heavy thighs (or what *I*
thought were heavy thighs AT THE TIME!), it was pretty comfortable for
me... and I realize that, although I might LIKE to be 25 pounds under
that, an additional 25 pounds lower than that might NOT be
maintainable. Heck, I don't even really know what anything under 150
would look like on me, let alone 125 -- 25 pounds hasn't made all that
much difference so far, but I'm still believing those of you who have
PROMISED (Lisa!) that eventually 15 pounds or so will mean a clothing
size change.
After looking at the site someone on OH gave, I think maybe I *do*
need to adjust my goal. (http://www.thinnerself.com/files/calculator.htm)
It lists 157 as a "normal" weight for my height and age. I don't want
to give up on 125 entirely, but I also don't want to set my self up
for a huge disappointment... not after all the hard work I have put in.
So now, as I ponder this issue, I'm curious about how other people
came up with their goal weights...
Lora
(-106 pounds in 6 months)

Unfortunately, we are going to be in Siesta Key on the Gulf. There
are SO many people here that I would love to meet in person. I do
hope I get the opportunity sometime...
Lora

Lora,
When are you visiting FL and where are you visiting to? I am in West Palm
Beach and would love to be able to meet you if you are close by :-)
--
Mary in FL
LAP RNY 1/26/2007
317/296/167/140
BS/ SW/CW/GW

Hi Lizanne,
Watch the timing of your runny nose. Is it after you eat? Is it
only after you eat too much? Mine gets runny only if I become too
full, and that's the vagus nerve working.
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/177/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Hi Susan,
My psych is on board with the surgery. One of my meds may be a problem due to
the malabsorptive part of surgery. She thinks we can just up the dose so I get
enough. I really don't want to go to injections. I see my surgeon on the 13th,
so I'll get a better idea what meds I can still take. My thyroid pill is tiny,
as is my sleep aid. The antidepressant can be crushed, and the mood stabilizer
can be opened. It's the mood stabilizer that might have absorption issues.
Pauleen
Susan Greggain <sgreggain@...
Pauleen, I too have bipolar disorder and as long as you keep up with your
meds. The only day I did not take them was the day of surgery. Maybe down
the road there may be some depression but I would just email my psych and
have him do some adjustments on my meds.
Susan G.
Vacaville,CA

Pauleen, I too have bipolar disorder and as long as you keep up with your
meds. The only day I did not take them was the day of surgery. Maybe down
the road there may be some depression but I would just email my psych and
have him do some adjustments on my meds.
Susan G.
Vacaville,CA

You are so right Lora, I have never been this excited about talking about my
weight before. Those 20 lbs will come off and you will be here with the
rest of us.
       
Susan G.
Vacaville,CA
Lap RNY 02/11/2008
HW/SW/CW/GW
303/212/ 199/135
I'm in onederville
Officially lost 100 lbs!

Lizanne as a matter of fact I have had a runny nose since surgery. I
thought maybe it was the spring pollen in the air but it trickles and is
annoying. Will ask my surgeon next week when I see him.
       
Susan G.
Vacaville,CA
Lap RNY 02/11/2008
HW/SW/CW/GW
303/212/ 199/135
I'm in onederville
Officially lost 100 lbs!

Hi Susan,
That is wonderful!! Doesn't it feel good?! Congrats!!!
Jill
-30.8

Lisa,
That is so neat! I am happy for you, both for the 3# and for the tucked
in blouse. A memorable moment, indeed!
Jill
-30.8

Very valid point about post-surg depression. I have never had any psy help,
but I really feel it would be great to have some available, not just the stupid
questions he asked me at my eval, but an honest dialogue. I worry about the
people that have had the surgery and are not mentally prepared to handle it.
You don't change, you life doesn't change, just your physical stomach and
intestines!!! The problems and compulsive behaviors are still there. I love
to sew and I can't tell you how many miles have been on my sewing machine since
surgery!!! My 2 granddaughters have an outfit for every holiday and I do mean
EVERY! There dad was teased that they must make gramma run a sweat shop!!
Before surgery is a great time to get a healthy activity (exercise, quilting,
sewing, scrap booking, writing, etc) started. I really missed my BFF (food).
It is hard to feel sad or confused and not run to a cookie!! (or a dozen!!) I
try to suggest to every pre-op - start
drinking water, cut the caffiene, stop soda, start exercising, start chewing,
start eating healthier, and get a safe and productive hobby!!! Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I forgot to mention that mental health is a very big part of this
process. A lot of us became depressed after the surgery, as I
mentioned. Some take meds, some just muddle through and a few are
still dealing with issues they didn't address before the surgery. If
you have a problem, this surgery doesn't correct it. If you have not
been able to deal with happiness, sadness, anger, etc before the
surgery without the help of food, you still won't be able to deal
with it after surgery. You need to find out how to stop letting food
be your crutch. I would suggest that if your therapist thinks you
need some extra help before surgery, that you take his/her
advice.....just my opinion.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Katy,
I forgot to mention that mental health is a very big part of this
process. A lot of us became depressed after the surgery, as I
mentioned. Some take meds, some just muddle through and a few are
still dealing with issues they didn't address before the surgery. If
you have a problem, this surgery doesn't correct it. If you have not
been able to deal with happiness, sadness, anger, etc before the
surgery without the help of food, you still won't be able to deal
with it after surgery. You need to find out how to stop letting food
be your crutch. I would suggest that if your therapist thinks you
need some extra help before surgery, that you take his/her
advice.....just my opinion.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Welcome Katy,
It seems like the Kaiser people are taking over. That's fine with
me. So what are the steps you still have to take after your meeting
with the surgeon? Shrink...NUT...? Debby probably told you, we are
a gabby bunch, but we also will answer ANY question you have
so.....fire away.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Welcome Katy, I am also at Kaiser (Dr. Chu) this is a fantastic group! you will
get all the help you need from all these happy campers.
Judy - 48 DAYS to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/241

1. Name: Koreen (I go by Katy) Weber
2. City and State: Sacramento, CA
3. E-mail Address: itsup2mekt@...
4. Are you: Considering Surgery, Pre-Op or Post-Op: Pre-Op
5. Date of WLS: Unknown Meeting with Surgeon 3/6/08
6. Surgeon's Name and Location: Dr. Dutta Freemont CA.
7. Type of Surgery: RNY
8. Highest Pre-Surgery Weight: Maybe 283? When I got that big I never
stepped on a scale!
9. Insurance or Self-Pay: Insurance
10. What is the name of the insurance company that covered your WLS
(if
applicable): Kaiser
11. How did you hear about this group?: Debbie from my support group
@ Elk Grove Kaiser. (Tuesday's @ 7:00)
12. Birthdate:10/2/63
13. Occupation: Administrative assistant
14. Married or Single (if married what is your spouse's name?):Single
15. Do you have children? If so, what are their names? Diana 8 Lives
with me Loren 18 lives with Dad.
16. Hobbies: Gardening.
17. Anything else you would like to share with other members: I'm 7
lbs. Away from my goal weight for the Kaiser program.

Debby you go girl! You really are doing amazing.
"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength" Philippians 4:13
Judy -- SURGERY DAY July 23, 2008- 3 1/2 weeks to go :)
262/234
HW/CW
http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/nynativecagirl/
http://www.myspace.com/nynativecagirl

Lora,
You and I have been very similar in many of the consequences of this
surgery. When I look at my last 6 months (2/17) I see everything as
positive....yes, I have an ugly hernia, but I will get PS covered by
insurance, and yes....another surgery at Johns Hopkins is very very
scary, but it will only be for one day, and yes...I have Very Very
short hair, but I now know just how gray I actually am, and yes....I
have bat wings, but if that is the only "bad" side effect of this
surgery, IN THE LONG RUN, I will just have to deal with it. Once all
the "ordeal" is over, this is going to be just what I hoped it would
be. Look at your list, isn't it just so WONDERFUL? Didn't we
accomplish so much!!!
My fear is the future. How long will I be able to eat well without a
struggle? Will I be capable of getting back on the right track if I
slip? Will I ever truly be a normal sized person? Will I actually
be healthier or will I suffer from deficiencies? Will a guy find me
attractive even covered in railroad track scars? Will these hot
flashes stop (I only have been having them since the surgery although
my periods stopped 3 years ago)? I have today covered...but what
about tomorrow? I know that only I can answer these questions,
except for the guy one. I can't answer them today because I haven't
been put to the test yet. To me That's the scary part. I couldn't
accomplish these things before the surgery, and the surgery is not
going to stop me from failing. The only way I will not fail is
if "I" make sure that doesn't happen. I am very scared.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Congratulations!!!! That is wonderful, especially since you lost SO
much BEFORE surgery. I'm about 20 pounds away, and can't wait to
join you.
I know that EVERYONE loves getting back to under 200, but I think
that for those of us that satrted at at over 300, it is even
sweeter. Enjoy the feeling.
Lora

Lora,
I love your list. It's a great visual to see that the good really does
outweigh the bad. and like you said the bad is temporary. You will get your
alien fixed and your panni removed. Then the good list will be even longer!
Congratulations Lora you continue to inspire.
Debby
Lora <cicerogirl@...
I am 6 months out (today, in fact), and Ally's 7-month post got me
thinking about my own journey up to this point. So, here is my
assessment. As I look over it, it seems to me that, although there
are still some negative things, almost all of those things can be
remedied down the road... so even almost all of the current negative
items are temporary!
The BEST:
- I've lost 106.5 pounds (incl. 11 pre-op)! Century Club member!!!
- My energy level is SO much higher
- I will be able to wear some of my favorite summer dresses and
skirts again when we go to Florida next month ¡V clothes that make me
FEEL good (even the very casual ones)
The Good:
- I have dropped from size 28/26 to a 22, and from a 4x to a 2x.
- I have discovered that I can actually have 2 or 3 M&Ms and then put
the bag away (instead of eating the whole bag and wishing I had
another one!)
- I did not become lactose intolerant (I LOVE milk)
- I have never vomited from eating anything & have only dumped twice
- My blood sugar levels have dropped almost to normal (I'm not
flirting with the diabetic ¡§line¡¨ any more)
- One of my knees hurts much less than before (the other... eh)
- My family has been very supportive of the surgery, as have most of
my friends
- I feel more like "my old self"
- I don't feel like people are staring at me everywhere I go
- I no longer worry about running into people who knew me years ago
and would silently be thinking about how much weight I had gained
- I have met some wonderful people on this board, on OH, at support
group meeting, etc.
The disappointments:
- Clothing sizes dropping SO slowly (but Lisa has PROMISED me that
the sizes will soon start dropping much more quickly...)
- There are a few foods that I still cannot "trust" myself around
(like cookies!)... a small bite is not enough, and I find myself
unable to resist them (so I don't bring them into the house and pray
that no one brings them to work!)
- I truly MISS a few foods (like ice cream!) and have found no
satisfactory substitute for them
- A couple of friends have still not "come around" as far as being
supportive of me having the surgery; they do not even comment on how
much weight I have lost. Whatever their reason for being against the
surgery (dangerous, unhealthy, ¡§easy way out¡¨ {grr¡K}), they could at
least be happy that I am feeling better and am healthier. ¼
The Bad:
- The ¡§alien¡¨ (a large ventral hernia along the incision line after
open surgery)
- Having to have another major surgery to fix the hernia (I had so
much trouble with the original RNY incision that I get depressed just
thinking about another huge incision (or two). I knew I would need a
panni removal, but I figured I could delay that until another surgery
didn't feel so overwhelming (but the hernia makes another surgery
more urgent))
- I'm still not getting in enough liquid each day -- too much fluid
of any kind in my pouch makes me VERY queasy
- I have large distended (and painful) veins running down/across the
inside of one of my lower legs (I have had several DVTs in that leg,
and the veins are distended from venous pressure... they just didn't
show when they were buried in the additional fat, and they will
probably look and feel even worse as I lose the rest of the weight)
The Ugly:
- My lower belly (and, uh, the area below that) hang down a LOT. This
was one of my greatest fears about losing the weight. It looks
thoroughly disgusting. From a purely aesthetic standpoint, those
areas looked better when the fat still filled them out.
- Boobs that are still big but are flat and only about 2 inches from
my waist
- Bat wings that probably have significant aerodynamic properties
Lora

Lisa A,
That is so awesome. I can't even remember the last time I could tuck.
Congratulations, what an accomplishment.
Debby
Lisa <lisaatwell1968@...
Today is a great day! I got on the scale, and I dropped 3 pounds! I
am now 170 and that is fabulous! Then I got dressed and thought I
looked frumpy so I TUCKED my blouse in and it looks really good. I
CAN TUCK! That may be better than the 3#'s I lost. UGH, it can be as
ugly as it wants outside today (and it is) but I only see
sunshine! :) Everyone have a great day.
Lisa A

They will have the power problem fixed by the time we go down on the
14th. If not, there are biugger problems than no A/C! Like no
refigeration for (and indoor cooking of) food!
I love that area.
Lora

A while ago someone found an article about the vagas nerve. I know
that it does a million jobs. But the article said something about
runny noses. Since surgery my nose runs all the time. It isn't
stuffy, just slowly runs a few times a day. Does anyone else have
this, and have you done anything about it?
Lizanne
251/174/125

Siesta Key....I used to live many many many years ago on Longboat
Key. Then I moved to Sarasota. You will be near there. Have fun,
the weather should be great. With that nuclear power plant problem,
you may have no electricity...and no A/C. Too Bad!!!
Lizanne

Today is a great day! I got on the scale, and I dropped 3 pounds! I
am now 170 and that is fabulous! Then I got dressed and thought I
looked frumpy so I TUCKED my blouse in and it looks really good. I
CAN TUCK! That may be better than the 3#'s I lost. UGH, it can be as
ugly as it wants outside today (and it is) but I only see
sunshine! :) Everyone have a great day.
Lisa A

Pauleen, I am sure you're nervous and scared and excited and anxious to say the
least. You will find we all went through those emotions. It is a difficult,
life changing decision. The day of my surgery I suddenly felt a wash of calm
go over me and I was almost surprised! Any sane person would have a ton of
emotions when undertaking such a surgery!!!! We're here for you. Naomi
Pauleen McCollum <mcco2lum@...
My surgery is 3 weeks from yesterday. I've been having a lot of mixed emotions
lately. I seem to alternate between excitement and fear and confidence and
uncertainty. I would have to say the excitement and confidence seem to be more
at the forefront of my mind right now. It's mostly only at night when I begin to
doubt my decision.
Pauleen

Hi everyone,
My surgery is 3 weeks from yesterday. I've been having a lot of mixed emotions
lately. I seem to alternate between excitement and fear and confidence and
uncertainty. I would have to say the excitement and confidence seem to be more
at the forefront of my mind right now. It's mostly only at night when I begin to
doubt my decision.
Pauleen

Pauleen, you are completely normal! This surgery is a HUGE step and
almost everyone expresses some anxiety as surgery approaches. I am
really surprised -- and somewhat concerned as well -- when (RARELY)
people say they are NOT nervous about it. The promise of a new,
healthier life IS exciting. Yes, there are bumps in the road after
surgery (some have more bumps than others, and the bumps are different
for everyone), but at least you know that this time you WILL lose the
weight, and you can feel PROUD of yourself for taking steps to improve
your life.
Lora
(-106 pounds)

Valeri, how was the reception when you got to work? I truly am excited to come
back cause I know my staff they will be waiting at the door LOL.
Judy -- *******16 DAYS, 16 DAYS*******
262/231
HW/CW
MY WLS BLOG: http://judywlsjourney.blogspot.com/

I am 6 months out (today, in fact), and Ally's 7-month post got me
thinking about my own journey up to this point. So, here is my
assessment. As I look over it, it seems to me that, although there
are still some negative things, almost all of those things can be
remedied down the road... so even almost all of the current negative
items are temporary!
The BEST:
- I've lost 106.5 pounds (incl. 11 pre-op)! Century Club member!!!
- My energy level is SO much higher
- I will be able to wear some of my favorite summer dresses and
skirts again when we go to Florida next month ¡V clothes that make me
FEEL good (even the very casual ones)
The Good:
- I have dropped from size 28/26 to a 22, and from a 4x to a 2x.
- I have discovered that I can actually have 2 or 3 M&Ms and then put
the bag away (instead of eating the whole bag and wishing I had
another one!)
- I did not become lactose intolerant (I LOVE milk)
- I have never vomited from eating anything & have only dumped twice
- My blood sugar levels have dropped almost to normal (I'm not
flirting with the diabetic ¡§line¡¨ any more)
- One of my knees hurts much less than before (the other... eh)
- My family has been very supportive of the surgery, as have most of
my friends
- I feel more like "my old self"
- I don't feel like people are staring at me everywhere I go
- I no longer worry about running into people who knew me years ago
and would silently be thinking about how much weight I had gained
- I have met some wonderful people on this board, on OH, at support
group meeting, etc.
The disappointments:
- Clothing sizes dropping SO slowly (but Lisa has PROMISED me that
the sizes will soon start dropping much more quickly...)
- There are a few foods that I still cannot "trust" myself around
(like cookies!)... a small bite is not enough, and I find myself
unable to resist them (so I don't bring them into the house and pray
that no one brings them to work!)
- I truly MISS a few foods (like ice cream!) and have found no
satisfactory substitute for them
- A couple of friends have still not "come around" as far as being
supportive of me having the surgery; they do not even comment on how
much weight I have lost. Whatever their reason for being against the
surgery (dangerous, unhealthy, ¡§easy way out¡¨ {grr¡K}), they could at
least be happy that I am feeling better and am healthier. ¼
The Bad:
- The ¡§alien¡¨ (a large ventral hernia along the incision line after
open surgery)
- Having to have another major surgery to fix the hernia (I had so
much trouble with the original RNY incision that I get depressed just
thinking about another huge incision (or two). I knew I would need a
panni removal, but I figured I could delay that until another surgery
didn't feel so overwhelming (but the hernia makes another surgery
more urgent))
- I'm still not getting in enough liquid each day -- too much fluid
of any kind in my pouch makes me VERY queasy
- I have large distended (and painful) veins running down/across the
inside of one of my lower legs (I have had several DVTs in that leg,
and the veins are distended from venous pressure... they just didn't
show when they were buried in the additional fat, and they will
probably look and feel even worse as I lose the rest of the weight)
The Ugly:
- My lower belly (and, uh, the area below that) hang down a LOT. This
was one of my greatest fears about losing the weight. It looks
thoroughly disgusting. From a purely aesthetic standpoint, those
areas looked better when the fat still filled them out.
- Boobs that are still big but are flat and only about 2 inches from
my waist
- Bat wings that probably have significant aerodynamic properties
Lora

Please re-read the posty I responded to! The insurance fraud comment
was in repsonse to Lisa's suggestion that Lizanne ask if the surgeon
could BILL for the second procedure WHEN HE DID THE FIRST ONE but
then not actually DO the second procedure until she had lost more
weight. That would be insurance fraud.
What you are talking about is what MANY people do, which is to
combine the procedures and do more than one at once, and there is NO
problem with that. A surgeon CANNOT, however, bill an insurance
company for two procedures on, say 4/1/08, if he will not be
performing the second procedure until, say, 8/1/08.
Lora
(-106 pounds)

I did not have any trouble eating "salad" veggies as soon as they
were on my food list, but I have yet to eat any lettuce because it
just takes up valuable pouch space providing little nutrition. If I
recall correctly, raw veggies (excpet broccoli and corn) were on my
list at about 8 weeks (cooked veggies earlier).
Lora
(-106 pounds)

I've never tried it.
Debby
ddrei_glas <ddrei_glas@...
Has no one tried this stuff ....I'd TRULY appreciate any feedback.
http://www.cytosport.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=19
Dee
:-)

I'm actually traveling with just my mom this year. mY borther is
getting married in St Lucia in April so they haven't got the money or
vacation time to take this year for Spring Training, so mom and I
decided it would be nice to go just the two of us. (G is a little
bummed out but he'll get over it.) We've been down there the last,
oh, 7 years or so. We rent a little house with a pool that's shared
with another unit and we are just around the corner from the entrance
to the private beach area. The Reds training facility and stadium is
in Sarasota less than 20 minutes away.
We both have fair English skin, so there WILL be lots of sunblock.
Last year I had just had a large lipoma removed from my hip, had a
drain still in, and the drain hole ahd become infected so I was on
Levaquin so I had to "carry" around and conceal the stupid JP drain,
couldn't go in the pool OR the ocean, had to stay out of the sun
whevever possible and the one day we were at a baseball game and I
wore a long sleeved shirt and long pants (on an 82 degree day), I
still got sun poisoning on my arms and my tummy and back right through
the shirt, and on my feet! It was still better than sitting in
dreary, rainy 40-some degree Ohio, but it was NOT my best vacation!
Lora

Hi from Kearney Nebraska! We have been busier then beavers and
having fun!
Today we took the kids to the Harold Warp Pioneer Village in Minden
Nebraska and then went to the Great Platte River Archway Monument. It
was a load of fun and we did about 5 hours of walking ~ whew, my
doggies are barking!!!
I've been doing as well as I can with my diet on the road. I've been
working with a 1500 calorie diet and have been close and gone over a
little bit but overall I am very proud of making good choices ~ now
if Hubby would just stop offering me sweets and stuff, LOL!
On a sad note, the moment we checked into the hotel we received word
that Hubby's Uncle passed away, we assessed the situation and made a
few phone calls and decided that it we would stay here on vacation
because it would take us 2 days to get back home. Hubby is saddened
by his Uncles loss, he was a brittle diabetic who recently went blind
and had many amputations. Our family is relieved he is at peace with
the Lord. We Love You Uncle James!
Tomorrow we are hitting a major waterpark so I hope to come back a
few pounds lighter with all the activity and fun, I will try and post
some pics on my Myspace: www.myspace.com/thesanderfamily
Okay, gotta run and check on the kids down in the pool. Adios!!!
Amy
Pre-Op 258

Amy,
Do you have to wait until he can get off work? Do you have a mom,sister, or
other family member that can come for a week or two? After that you should be
ok.
Debby
Your Secret Sister <vickisecretsister@...
So, as most of you know, I have been struggling with frustration over
what I thought was imcompetance on the part of the military hospital. Turns out
my disappointment was a bit premature. I finally got word today that the surgeon
had received my medical records and had already submitted the request for
surgery to TriCare. They told me they would have the answer from Tri Care before
the end of the week and that we would schedule the psych, nutrition, and
education classes (all on the same day) by the end of the week, as well. So here
I am just ecstatic and beaming . . . . .
Until, that is, I call hubby to share the news. . I tell him I should still be
having my surgery in March. .. He says I never told him March. . . . I told him
April. . . .ARGH! He says there is no way he can get away from work until the
end of April!!!!!!! SO here I am thinking sometime in the next four weeeks I
will be having surgery. . . .. when it appeears I am back to the EIGHT WEEK WAIT
. . . .AGAIN!!!.
Anyway, ,just been thinking about you and wanted to check in with ya. . ..
Thanks for letting me vent. .
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
no surgery date yet
CW 275
New Mexico, USA

Hi Amy,
I know how it feels to be delayed in getting your surgery. I feel
your pain, truly I do. I was scheduled for surgery, and was at the
hospital doing my pre-op stuff when I received a call from my
daughter about the results of a blood test that she had just had. The
results showed that she had a genetic clotting disorder that has to
come from one of your parents. When her dr. found out I was having
surgery in just a few days, my daughter was advised to call me right
away to get me tested before I proceeded with my surgery.
The required blood test takes several weeks to run, and my surgeon
could have proceeded with the surgery and treated me "as if" I
actually had the clotting disorder, but he chose instead to postpone
my surgery, and know for certain, instead of needlessly treating me
if I didn't actually have the disorder. And you know what? When my
test results came back 3 weeks later, I did NOT have the disorder. It
turns out that my husband was the one who passed on the disorder to
our daughter.
At first, I was really irritated that I had missed my surgery date.
Then I realized that it really wouldn't matter if my surgery was on
October 11 or December 3. I'd still have the surgery!! And it's
turned out that having the extra time to prepare myself mentally for
life afterwards has been a wonderful, unexpected gift.
I know how anxious you are to be in the Loser's Lounge with us, but
it just might turn out to be a blessing in the long run. Besides
that, word is that we should be having some new faces amongst the
cabana boys by then, so you'll have a really good selection!! :D
Jill
-30.8

hi there I posted 2 pics of me, I've been collecting and posting pre op pics at
different weights so I can keep track of the changes. and i also posted 1 pic of
Travis with my daughter Melina. as soon as approved, go look and enjoy.

Judy -- 22 DAYS TO A NEW LIFE!!!
262/234
HW/CW
MY WLS BLOG: http://judywlsjourney.blogspot.com/
JUDY'S JOURNEY
http://www..myspace.com/nynativecagirl

So, as most of you know, I have been struggling with frustration over what I
thought was imcompetance on the part of the military hospital. Turns out my
disappointment was a bit premature. I finally got word today that the surgeon
had received my medical records and had already submitted the request for
surgery to TriCare. They told me they would have the answer from Tri Care
before the end of the week and that we would schedule the psych, nutrition, and
education classes (all on the same day) by the end of the week, as well. So
here I am just ecstatic and beaming . . . . .
Until, that is, I call hubby to share the news. . I tell him I should still be
having my surgery in March. .. He says I never told him March. . . . I told him
April. . . .ARGH! He says there is no way he can get away from work until the
end of April!!!!!!! SO here I am thinking sometime in the next four weeeks I
will be having surgery. . . .. when it appeears I am back to the EIGHT WEEK WAIT
. . . .AGAIN!!!.
Anyway, ,just been thinking about you and wanted to check in with ya. . ..
Thanks for letting me vent. .
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
no surgery date yet
CW 275
New Mexico, USA

A W E S O M E ! !

HI!!! SORRY TO BOTHER ANYBODY BUT I WANT TO SCREAM FROM THE ROOFTOPS!!!!!
EVIDENTLY, WE WERE (OR AT LEAST I WAS) A BIT PREMATURE IN MY CRITICISM OF THE
MILITARY HOSPITAL. . . I MEAN, HEY, THEY STILL HAVE THEIR FAULTS, BUT THEY
AREN'T AS BAD AS I THOUGHT!!!!! THE SURGEON'S OFFICE JUST CALLED ME AND THEY
RECEIVED MY RECORDS. . .FROM THE BASE!!!! I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GO MAIL THE
COPIES I RECEIVED, WAS ONLY WAITING ON MY DAUGHTER TO GET HOME FROM THE SCHOOL
BUS. . . . . .BUT SHE SAID THEY GOT THEM AND THEY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE
REQUEST TO TRICARE. . . . . SHE SAID BY THE END OF THE WEEK THEY SHOULD HAVE AN
ANSWER AND HAVE ME SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT PSYCH, NUTRITION, AND EDUCATION
CLASSES. . . . AND WILL MORE THAN LIKELY STILL HAVE A MARCH SURGERY DATE!!!!!
I FEEL LIKE A KID INSIDE!!!!! OKAY, GO BACK ABOUT YOUR DAY NOW. . . JUST HAD TO
SHARE!!!!!!!!!
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
no surgery date yet
CW 275

Sue,
I probably won't have them at the same time for two
reasons...multiple pain locations and short term disability. It will
be hard enough to get out of a chair or bed using my abs, but to have
to use my arms too...that just might be too much. Especially since
you think it may not be much of a cost break. Then....short term
disability does not cover elective surgery. I have to investigate
further.
My plan is to email my PS with a few questions I have (not including
the batwing surgery), and tell her I will send her my STD forms. I
don't even know if she told me how long I would be unable to work. I
know the drains will be in around 3 weeks. AND this time I will be
aware that if something is draining, I am in trouble.
Then, after she completes the STD forms and sends them off, I will
ask about the batwing surgery. That way if I can get a decent price,
I can include that without changing my STD form. Taadaa. Now, all I
have to figure out is how to pay for normal looking arms. I would
like to have to deal with pain only one time for all surgeries. I
won't be able to get batwing surgery without some sort of
discount....so it's kind of now or never. Ah...to go sleeveless
would be an answered prayer.
Lizanne

Lora... Girl! You better let them hang your pictures on the office wall! I
don't care if they neuter pigs in that office! You earned the right to be
on the wall of fame and you look absolutely marvelous honey!!! Sorry things
didn't go too well today... But it is good they put the filter in... One
less thing to worry about for the TT and mons repair.
Bonnie

Hi amy you are doing good. You might eat a lil extra but you are walking so it
will even out. Just walk more than eat sweets ;)
Take care have fun
"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength" Philippians 4:13
Judy -- SURGERY DAY July 23, 2008- 3 1/2 weeks to go :)
262/234
HW/CW
http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/nynativecagirl/
http://www.myspace.com/nynativecagirl

Hi Susan-
The attachment will not come through on the group but it you want to send it to
me directly I will upload it to the files section, or you can upload it to the
files section yourself if you want. :)
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/167/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Amazing!!!!
This is a Power Point attachment.
Microsoft has a free Powerpoint Viewer if you don't have Powerpoint.
Just click on Microsoft to get it.

Ally,
I am so glad that your fiance supports you. How great it must be to be
starting your life with someone who is so giving and caring!!!! Good for him
Tell him that I give him pats on the back for being one of the good guys.
As for you. Thank goodness. I was really concerned for you. That job has
been a needle in your side for a while and you are stressed unnecessarily. I
still think you need to look into the school districts around you since that is
what you are supposed to be doing!! The nice thing about kids is that everyday
is a new adventure and yesterday is pretty much a do over.
(((HUGS)))
Lisa A
Allison <allisonmarie22@...
Hello Friends-
I am still trying to catch up with e-mails from my long absence last week, but I
want to say to all of you how much I, from the bottom of my heart, appreciate
all of your love and support over these last days. The situation with my job
finally came to a conclusion today, and while it will undoubtedly create a whole
new type of stress, I am for now glad to say that I am unemployed...officially.
I was written up and denied my promotion, so I packed up my stuff (with the
consent of my hubby to be, of course) and left. I am somewhat scared and more
than a little nervous, but I know that in the long run that this will be better
for me. Over the last few months the stress of my job has infringed on every
area of my life. I haven't been taking care of myself as I know I should, and I
just didn't see that ever changing. No job is worth my health or my sanity, so
good riddance I say.
I wanted to let you all know what was going on since you've all been so
supportive and I"m sure that I've been in your thoughts as you have all been in
mine. The good news is that I'll now have more time to keep up with all of you,
and I look forward to getting to know the newbies and catching up with some old
friends. :)
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/167/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

I know it isn't the resolution you wanted, but at least the situation
is now resolved and you can move forward... with less stress (well,
ok, just a DIFFERENT stress) and better self-care. I think you
should be proud of standing up for yourself instead of kissing their
unreasonable, vindictive butts!
Lora

Hello Friends-
I am still trying to catch up with e-mails from my long absence last week, but I
want to say to all of you how much I, from the bottom of my heart, appreciate
all of your love and support over these last days. The situation with my job
finally came to a conclusion today, and while it will undoubtedly create a whole
new type of stress, I am for now glad to say that I am unemployed...officially.
I was written up and denied my promotion, so I packed up my stuff (with the
consent of my hubby to be, of course) and left. I am somewhat scared and more
than a little nervous, but I know that in the long run that this will be better
for me. Over the last few months the stress of my job has infringed on every
area of my life. I haven't been taking care of myself as I know I should, and I
just didn't see that ever changing. No job is worth my health or my sanity, so
good riddance I say.
I wanted to let you all know what was going on since you've all been so
supportive and I"m sure that I've been in your thoughts as you have all been in
mine. The good news is that I'll now have more time to keep up with all of you,
and I look forward to getting to know the newbies and catching up with some old
friends. :)
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/167/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Cathy,
It's the same old battle for everyone eventually. You can't eat too
little or your metabolism slows to a stop and everything you eat gets
stored. You have to eat your 800-1100 calories, and not skimp. You
are just making things worse by replacing all eating with water.
Start over. Eat what you were supposed to eat after surgery. That
worked well for you and others. Eat your protein first, take your
vitamins, drink your water, stay away from caffeine and carbonation,
stay away from sugars...sweets, bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. Stick
to veggies and fruits only after you have completed all your protein.
Back to the beginning and don't skimp on calories. You may gain a
little, but it will s l o w l y speed up your metabolism and the
weight loss will start again. You can do it, Cathy, just don't
expect it to start right away...give it a chance to start working and
DON'T WORRY, IT WILL WORK!!
Lizanne
251/175/125

Lizanne, I have a friend that had a tt and she said it was so tight at first it
was rediculous. I wonder if that makes a difference if you do continue to
lose. I have to admit if my tummy was just not hanging, I would be delighted.
I know, you're younger, but a normal woman past 40 usually has a bit of a
pooch!! Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Even though I have only lost 60% of my weight, I am getting a
panniectomy and a TT. When they fix the hernia, the PS says that
they cut a sideways eye shape, cut out that area and sew it back
together. They also cut a circle around my belly button and keep it
attached. Then they cut from each hip, down along the hair line, and
also from the hips along my waist line, or a little above. They
remove all the panni and reattach the hairline to the waistline
making a new hole in my upper ab the same size as my belly button
hole. Then they place the BB in the new incision. I am getting the
benefits of the panni & the TT and it will be covered by
insurance...amazing!!! My problem is that I still have weight to
lose. What happens if I lose another 40 lbs? Will I end up with
more excess skin? Probably, but I will have to live with that. I'd
rather have excess skin from a 40 lb loss, than excess skin from a
125 lb loss. (I know that I will lose some weight due to the PS,
just don't know how much).
So right now I am trying to think of ways to lose as much as
possible, even to the point of putting the surgery off until 6/2 so
that I can accomplish a larger loss before the surgery, and reap the
biggest benefits. I am exercising like crazy, actually have to slow
that down as I hurt too much to continue at that pace. I am staying
away from anything that might cause craving except for the sugar in
my tea. I am thinking that Lora has a great idea concerning the
lowering and raising of calories as a kick start to a larger loss.
Anything I can do ahead of time I will try it, as long as I don't
compromise my health.
What I would really like to do is to sneak in a brachioplasty. It
would cost me less since the OR and anesthesiologist will already be
covered. I just don't know because I still have weight to lose. The
part that hangs down from my arms is huge. Nearly two times larger
than my new arm. If I could get that done for a couple or three
thousand dollars, now, I should consider it. I just don't know what
to do.
Lizanne
251/175/125

Ok, the Cinnamon Teddy Grahams were, admittedly, some bad carbs.
Lots of them. (Gosh, they sound good... I used to love them!) Now
they are gone and are out of the house. Is there plenty of protein in
the house that you CAN eat? It might help if you were EATING more
protein and DRINKING less of it. Some of the urge to eat might be
tied to needing something to chew or something crunchy. If you eat
more protein and drink one less shake, for example, you might not
have as big a craving to eat. SOmeone here suggested microwaving
turkey pepperoni slices in the microwave until they are crunchy, and
I LOVE those when I need something more solid to eat.
I'm sorry that your support people are not available at the moment.
It's almost March 1, though. Do you have an appt already set up with
the new counselor? Or is there someone at another facility you can
see?
Lora

Sounds like you KNOW how to start a new day!!!!! I also eat at night. I have
really started to chug the flavored "sweet teas" no caffiene at night. I
sometimes eat at night because bored, hungry, sad, depressed. I could go on
and on. Try to find something high fiber, low calorie, no sugar. My nut
suggests celery with a little peanut butter. Like a huge stick of celery with
1 tablespoon of pb. Lots of crunch, chewing and time. She also suggests 1/4
cup of nuts eaten one at a time!!! It works, it feels like you're really
eating something. The most important thing is TODAY IS A NEW DAY!!!! I
know I have to start each day fresh and not regret yesterday, just do the best I
can with the next 24 hours. Please stay close to this group. If you want to
post at night, I am usually up and will try to answer asap. I have some
sleeping problems. I get about 4 hours of sleep if I'm lucky each day.
Naomi
cathymonsell <Sarrah345@...
I just "did the math" and wrote my first journal page for today (so
far).
BAD BAD BAD BAD CARBS!
I ate an entire box of Cinnamon Teddy Grahams. (At 4 a.m this
morning) Total calories, 1,170, total carbs 207g, total sugar 72g
1 protein bullet 100 calories 0 sugar, 0 carbs
1 cottage cheese w/pineapple (the last one, thankfully) 4 oz., Total
calories 110, Total carb 17g, total sugar 9g
20 oz of water
The only thing in my house now that is bad for me to eat (if I'm not
careful) are my Morning Atkins protein bars.
There are no more snacks, and there is no candy, and the cottage
cheese w/fruit is all gone now.
I have so much shame in this, and after my counselor told me I had an
addiction to food, I didn't believe her. An addiction??? I know I
do now!
Right now I'm between counselors (mine left the practice and her
replacement doesn't even start until March 1st) and I've been
floundering for about 3-4 weeks now, really bad....like I had no one
to talk to. My psychiatrist is in the same clinic, but I have to
wait to see him as well.....it's insurance related. I still have my
meds and all that....but I've been really having a tough time.
There's more, but I don't feel like typing it out right now.
Thank you all for being here, I don't know what I'd do without you!
Straight from my heart, I swear!
Hugs and love,
Cathy1

No one here will scold you. We may try to give you a gentle kick in
the rear end, though... because sometimes that is the most loving
thing we can do. I think it's important that you let us know that
you're feeling a little vulnerable... that way we will know that this
is a time to try to be a little more gentle with our honesty. ;)
This is only my opinion, but I'm not sure that right now you need
that MILITANT Cathy back. I think that finding a more gentle, self-
forgiving Cathy might serve you better right now. Let's face it, if
we had all been able to lose weight through militant observation of
rules, food plans, etc., then none of us would have needed the
surgery in the first place. We ALL fall down and skin our knees
somewhere along the road (I know I have -- I nibbled more Halloween
candy than I should have!)... some people just haven't traveled far
enough down the road yet! Again, just my opinion (and forgive me if
it sounds like psycho-babble... an occupational hazard!), but it
seems to me that it is the remnants of the militant Cathy that are
cuasing you to be so hard on yourself for overindulging in carbs, for
not having the scale drop "enough", etc. If you can nurture the
gentler, more self-forgiving Cathy, you may feel less frustrated or
angry.
How about aiming for a "new and improved" Cathy who can follow the
rules but can also forgive herself for being human and fallible, and
can say "ok, I messed up, but I can move on positively"? We saw THAT
Cathy just recently... so I *know* she already exists.
gentle hugs,
Lora

Dee,
Even though I have only lost 60% of my weight, I am getting a
panniectomy and a TT. When they fix the hernia, the PS says that
they cut a sideways eye shape, cut out that area and sew it back
together. They also cut a circle around my belly button and keep it
attached. Then they cut from each hip, down along the hair line, and
also from the hips along my waist line, or a little above. They
remove all the panni and reattach the hairline to the waistline
making a new hole in my upper ab the same size as my belly button
hole. Then they place the BB in the new incision. I am getting the
benefits of the panni & the TT and it will be covered by
insurance...amazing!!! My problem is that I still have weight to
lose. What happens if I lose another 40 lbs? Will I end up with
more excess skin? Probably, but I will have to live with that. I'd
rather have excess skin from a 40 lb loss, than excess skin from a
125 lb loss. (I know that I will lose some weight due to the PS,
just don't know how much).
So right now I am trying to think of ways to lose as much as
possible, even to the point of putting the surgery off until 6/2 so
that I can accomplish a larger loss before the surgery, and reap the
biggest benefits. I am exercising like crazy, actually have to slow
that down as I hurt too much to continue at that pace. I am staying
away from anything that might cause craving except for the sugar in
my tea. I am thinking that Lora has a great idea concerning the
lowering and raising of calories as a kick start to a larger loss.
Anything I can do ahead of time I will try it, as long as I don't
compromise my health.
What I would really like to do is to sneak in a brachioplasty. It
would cost me less since the OR and anesthesiologist will already be
covered. I just don't know because I still have weight to lose. The
part that hangs down from my arms is huge. Nearly two times larger
than my new arm. If I could get that done for a couple or three
thousand dollars, now, I should consider it. I just don't know what
to do.
Lizanne
251/175/125

I just "did the math" and wrote my first journal page for today (so
far).
BAD BAD BAD BAD CARBS!
I ate an entire box of Cinnamon Teddy Grahams. (At 4 a.m this
morning) Total calories, 1,170, total carbs 207g, total sugar 72g
1 protein bullet 100 calories 0 sugar, 0 carbs
1 cottage cheese w/pineapple (the last one, thankfully) 4 oz., Total
calories 110, Total carb 17g, total sugar 9g
20 oz of water
The only thing in my house now that is bad for me to eat (if I'm not
careful) are my Morning Atkins protein bars.
There are no more snacks, and there is no candy, and the cottage
cheese w/fruit is all gone now.
I have so much shame in this, and after my counselor told me I had an
addiction to food, I didn't believe her. An addiction??? I know I
do now!
Right now I'm between counselors (mine left the practice and her
replacement doesn't even start until March 1st) and I've been
floundering for about 3-4 weeks now, really bad....like I had no one
to talk to. My psychiatrist is in the same clinic, but I have to
wait to see him as well.....it's insurance related. I still have my
meds and all that....but I've been really having a tough time.
There's more, but I don't feel like typing it out right now.
Thank you all for being here, I don't know what I'd do without you!
Straight from my heart, I swear!
Hugs and love,
Cathy1

I used to be so strong.....going into this surgery, I was almost
militant on following the "rules" I was given by my nutritionist and
surgeon. I did NOT deviate from them for ANY reason until Halloween
2007.
With candy in the house for the trick or treaters, I binged on some
of the candy. I was so sorry I did, because I had extreme stomach
cramps that woke me in the middle of the night and then I had a
painful and lengthy bathroom visit.
That's the day I became vulnerable. I have not been able to get that
Militant Cathy back. I want her back and I don't know where to find
her. (I'm not kidding!) I've been sneaking carbs and food I shouldn't
and by admitting that here I hope no one screams at me. My husband
questions what I do, but I ignore him and his concern and I do what I
want anyway.
I feel so different, weak, vulnerable and guilty. I was so positive
and strong, for so long (for those who have known me from the old
board).
How do I get "it" back?
Anyone........please? (And please don't yell at me...I really
couldn't take that).
Thanks!
Hugs,
Cathy1

STEP AWAY FROM THE CARBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really try not to eat carbs, they
mess up my body, make me hungry, sluggish, and gain weight. You do not need
any carbs except what you get from veggies and a little fruit!!!!! We must
fight the carbs, they are the enemy. (at least for me) Naomi
cathymonsell <Sarrah345@...
(slap upside the head) and to
compensate for it (MAJOR guilt).....I just started downing water and
having my protein for the whole rest of my waking hours. I didn't stop
drinking water last night until 10 p.m.
How do I straighten myself out?
I know my body is confused, as am I!!!!!
HELP!!!!!!!
Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/176/I keep changing my mind.....

Lisa,
I wish I could adopt an animal either cat or dog but they already have 1 and
do not want another one in the house. I can't have a cat as my
brother-in-law is allergic to them. I do not want fish again... a ferret
would be nice though. Not sure if they would let me though. I have to go
by their rules since it is their house... know what I mean?
--
Mary in FL
LAP RNY 1/26/2007
317/296/167/140
BS/ SW/CW/GW

How many carbs? Your body needs SOME carbs, you know...
Lora

Yesterday I ate food with carbs (slap upside the head) and to
compensate for it (MAJOR guilt).....I just started downing water and
having my protein for the whole rest of my waking hours. I didn't stop
drinking water last night until 10 p.m.
How do I straighten myself out?
I know my body is confused, as am I!!!!!
HELP!!!!!!!
Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/176/I keep changing my mind.....

Well, here's my problem. If I eat food, the scale goes up and if I
just have my protein and drink a gallon and a half of water a day and
nothing else, the scale goes down. I'm really depressed about it!
The "weight" I "lost" is back now because I ate food yesterday, the
highest it's been for me post-op and I'm beside myself with worry.
What in the heck is my body and pouch thinking? I have NO idea and I
don't seem able to "communicate" with it and straighten all this out!
If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate them. I know there aren't too
many "veterans" (people a long time out from surgery) on this board,
but it doesn't hurt to ask.
HELP!
Hugs,
Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/176/I keep changing my mind.......

What food did you eat? Let's try to think this through. Naomi
cathymonsell <Sarrah345@...
eat food, the scale goes up and if I
just have my protein and drink a gallon and a half of water a day and
nothing else, the scale goes down. I'm really depressed about it!
The "weight" I "lost" is back now because I ate food yesterday, the
highest it's been for me post-op and I'm beside myself with worry.
What in the heck is my body and pouch thinking? I have NO idea and I
don't seem able to "communicate" with it and straighten all this out!
If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate them. I know there aren't too
many "veterans" (people a long time out from surgery) on this board,
but it doesn't hurt to ask.
HELP!
Hugs,
Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/176/I keep changing my mind.......

I was lovin' the Wild Strawberry Crystal Light, and when there were
only two packets left, did I see the word "Caffeine" on the back of
the box! I'm not sure if it was on the front. All I saw on the
front was something about "energy". I didn't put two and two
together. I'm just always on the hunt for new flavors that I didn't
check.
It didn't make me feel strange or jittery.....but I won't get it
again unless they make a non-caffinated version.
Thanks, Jill!
Hugs,
Cathy1

Yowsers! You're not kidding! Very expensive!!
Jill
-30.8

Sorry, Dee. I have never tried it.
Jill
-30.8

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Naomi. I hope I can get off all this
medication I am on for diabetes. And I hope you are right about being in the
lounge soon! I am just a little apprehensive that I will have trouble giving up
certain foods. I am deteremined, but at the same time realize I am human!
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
no surgery date yet
CW 275

Hi, Pat! Good to hear from you. I am trying not to lose hope with the
setbacks. I am still hoping I will have the surgery by my birthday (April 29).
The dr.'s staff seem really nice and helpful. That is helping, too.
Ya know, God works in mysterious ways. Maybe the records being sent to me
needed to happen, because it actually helped me out with another problem I have
been having with the military hospital. My diabetes dr. has been trying to get
ahold of my last lab results (blood work) since early January. As of last
Wednesday he has still received nothing from the base. Well, I dug into my
medical records at 3 a.m. last night and got the results out. I am going to the
library to have copies made and taking them to the diabetes dr. today when I go
for a diabetes education class.
BTW, been meaning to mention and/or ask. . . . how many of you are/were
diabetics and were you able to come off all medications afterward? The diabetes
educator asked me why I was having WLS. I told her the obvious--wanting to look
bettere, feel better, be healthier, be around to watch my kids grow up, etc. ,,.
. . . I also told her I was hoping to get rid of my diabetes and sleep apnea. I
knew that for most people it corrected their diabetes. She said, "not for the
kind you have, sweetie." What does that mean? I am not on insulin yet! Just
confused me. I mean, I still want it even if it doesn't correct the diabetes.
But I am still hopeful that it will. What do you guys think?
I promise, Pat, to not go so long between posting again. :-) Just be glad my
hubby didn't get ahold of my account. . . I kept telling him how many msgs. I
had to wade through. . He kept saying, "easy. click all. hit delete. . " I
said NO! THESE PEOPLE ARE MY FRIENDS! I CARE ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THEM
AND TO THEM!" He just rolled his eyes. Being the little toothpick he is, he
just doesn't understand!
Amy
Proud Air Force Wife
no surgery date yet
CW 275
New Mexico, USA