Re: First visit

2007-09-30 16:14:14

The requirements vary by insurance company, but many of them require
(in addition to the letter of medical necessity) a BMI of 40 or
higher, OR a BMI of 35 AND one or more comorbidities (diabetes,
etc.); others require that you be more than 100 pounds over your
ideal (i.e.insurance company chart) weight. Your BMI is around 46,
and you probably are 100 pounds over the sometimes-ridiculously-
extreme insruance weight charts) so I'm not sure why she would have
questions about approval! I would not worry... just find out what
the requirements are for YOUR insurance company so you can put your
mind at ease once and for all.
Welcome to the group!
Lora
(-104 pounds)

Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] So many questions???????

2007-09-30 14:24:45

Wow, what a list! You will likely get many different answers since
everyone's surgeon and nutritionist ahve different rules and
requirements and everyone's body reacts differently to the surgery
itself and to foods, etc. (I assume you will be having RNY...?)
But... here would be my answers:
1) The first week for me was fine as far as food (I was able to eat
soft foods before even leaving the hospital), but I was in a LOT of
pain (but I had open surgery, not laparoscopic)
2) I was in the hospital 4 days and then stayed with my mom for a
week (mostly so she could take care of my puppy and just be there if
I needed help moving around). I had trouble with toilet activities
in the hospital but was fine once I got home. SHowered by myself
with no problems from the day after surgery
3) Lots... for months (open surgery, though, with an infection and
oozing that lasted 10 weeks, so this will almost certainyl NOT be
YOUR experience)
4) I have never thrown up food (I threw up barium at a follow-up CT
scan, though)
5) yes to everything. my only problem, even with open surgery, was
that I could not lay flat without pain for over a month
6) soft foods (scrambled egg, cottage cheese, FF refried beans,
applesauce, SF pudding, etc.) protein shakes, and protein bullets
for the first 2 weeks. Instead of Slim fast you will want a liquid
protein supplement (either powdered that you mix yourself or pre-
prepared). It *might* be hard finding SF protein and drink items
that you can tolerate. Most REAL foods, though, once you get to
that point, don;t pose that problem (chicken, fish, cheese, etc.)
7) I was told 64 oz per day. I'm almost 6 months out and that STILL
isn't happening (more like 48oz per day). Your surgeon will give
you a goal amount.
8)exercise is always good; post-op, you will need to follow what
your surgeon says is ok for you and when. They will have you up and
WALKING around the hospital as soon as the anesthesia has worn off!
9) There is very little you can do about the skin issue... the
damage has already been done by age and stretching. getting in your
vitamins cannot hurt, but probably won't help significantly. Your
genetics, how much the skin is stretched, how long it has been
stretched, and your age will determine much elasticity there is (and
therefore how much sagging there will be). Most insurance will NOT
pay for PS unless you ahve an extremely large apron or have
*untreatable* rashes where the skin overlaps (and even then they
sometimes will nto cover it). I have not yet heard of anyone whose
insurance covered any otehr type of PS (arms, breasts, thighs, rear
end)
Hope that helps. As I said, you will probably get lots of varying
answers!
Lora

Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] How are you doing with your water intake today??, 2/17/2008, 2:00 pm

2007-09-30 08:05:59

i do at least 4.4l a day

[WLS Friendship & Support] So many questions???????

2007-09-29 21:06:18

I have so many questions for y'all! ready? okay! Go!
1. What was is like the first week you were home?
2. Did you have to have someone help you with daily tasks? Potting and
showering?
3. How much pain were you in?
4. How much did you throw up?
5. Could you sit up? walk?
6. What did you eat the first few weeks? Can we still drink our SF? also I
am allergic to alot of sugar free stuff. What can I eat?
I've been asked to lose 20-30lb before surgery. After one week of SF and high
protein dinners I've lost 8lb. I am also on Phen. 37.5mg. I am starting to
feel more hunger durring the day. Is this because I have not been drinking as
much water.
7. How much water should I be drinking?? Is two pints enough?
8. Should I be exercising now? Is yoga okay? Pilaties? What about after?
9. What can I do now to help prevent the sagging skin? Cause I don't think
my insurance will pay for plastic surgery?
I'm sure I will think of more later,
love,
Ilsa
299 / 291 / 150-125
P.s. If you watched big medicine tonight my doctors' Barnes were on there.
They will be doing my surgery in a few months. I hope! :-)

First visit

2007-09-29 17:23:58

I had my first out of six visits today with a dietitian. I am now worried, as
she is concerned I might not be approved for surgery. I weigh 278 and am 5'5.,
but all my labs were great..no threat of diebitis, great chol, Bp, etc..( all
which surprised me). As far as I read, BCBS goes on BMI and a docs referral? She
also thinks the band would be good for me...I dont want that. Blah..maybe it
will go better when I meet with the nutritionist at the Bariatric center?

Re: MRI

2007-09-29 14:47:08

I'll be thinking about you, Lisa! I hope they don't find anything
major wrong with your knee, and that PT is all you'll need!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Tea Club

2007-09-29 10:18:03

Naomi, It is extremely interesting looking tea... but wouldn't you get a
mouthful of flowers when you tipped the cup up to drink the last bit? I can't
wait for you to get some and tell us what it's like to drink that stuff in real
life.... LOL
Pat
Jill <jsplds@...
Naomi,
That site *is* amazing!! The tea is too pretty to drink!!! How in the
world do they do that, I wonder?!
Jill
-28.2

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Alex -

2007-09-29 02:35:47

Alex, keep it up. you'll get there. Men do lose weight faster, so a few weeks of
eating right, lots of water and exercise will get you there. Congrats on the
bay to breakers. I'm thinking of doing the Breast Cancer 3 day walk in the
fall, just waiting to see when I have surgery so I can figure out if I will be
ready for walk. Keep going to group, and go to different ones until you feel
comfortable, otherwise you won't go and you really need to know about how others
are doing. Mine is coming up on Friday. It's odd because when you go to group
no matter how big everyone is more than you, you still feel bigger than everyone
in the room. At least that is how I feel sometimes like I'm the biggest person
in the room and I'm not, it's just my mental picture of myself. :) you keep
going Alex, if you mess up, start again. think about how good you will feel when
you make your goals, how much healthy you will be and how much your family will
be relieved that
you are healthy and can do so much more. do you have family & friends around
you for support?
keep in touch
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242
n't

Re: Firemen

2007-09-28 14:36:14

Lizanne,
What a fitting day to quit smoking! Congrats on staying smoke-free!
Jill
-28.3

Re: Calcium citrate........what I take

2007-09-28 14:01:42

Thank you, Cathy!! I will gladly change to these so I can take fewer
pills each day!
Jill
-28.3

MRI

2007-09-28 11:01:00

Well folks I have an appt w/ an open MRI machine tomorrow morning to
see what the heck is up with my knees. So far it looks like it is only
the left one and the pain in my right is because I am over
compensating. So that is 1/2 great news. I am really hoping that this
is nothing that a little physical therapy can't fix...I am not ready
for another surgery just yet. So if you Cali girls are up at 4:15 this
morning, give me a little think would ya? Everyone on the East coast -
that is 7:15 for you.
Lisa A

Re: A sad scary "what if"...waxing philosophical

2007-09-28 07:15:55

Wow, Dee - your post is amazing. I'm so proud of you for all that
you've accomplished. *HUGS*
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

A sad scary "what if"...waxing philosophical

2007-09-27 19:36:46

Dee,
Well said. All of us want to become healthier and you have trully been a
success story. Your co-worker made her own choices, there was nothing you could
have done about it. It does bring things into perspective. It definately makes
me grateful for the choice I made to have this surgery.
Debby
ddrei_glas <ddrei_glas@...
I posted the news for a couple of reasons......
I'm 2.5 years out.......and I just realized that I had almost forgotten
where I started.
Probably not a bad thing entirely, but I have been enjoying life so
much.....and basking in the benefits, that I sometimes forget why I had the
surgery initially.
I've lost my weight....had most of my plastics.
I'm loving the admiring glances.
I'm enjoying all of the things that I missed out on in my teens & 20's.
This shook the sh*t out of me.
I saw her Friday before I left work.
Then....just gone...never to "be" again.
I know in my head that I could not have saved her life.....people don't do
this till THEY want to....or need to.
BUT.....there's small part that wonders if I had pushed a little
harder....would she have looked into it???
Would it have been in time?? or would she have died anyway....waiting for
surgery??
I feel almost guilty......I'm enjoying all of the perks & benefits......and
I've forgotten my 300 pound me.
I KNOW that I will never go back to what I was, and I remember the aches &
pains......but they're a nebulous memory.
There are days when I don't even think of the WLS.
I drink my protein & take my vitamins but it doesn't impinge as to why I'm
doing it.
I do still thank the powers that be for giving me my chance.....and maybe
taking the opportunity & squeezing as much out of life as I can is the best
way to go.
I remember bawling on the phone when the insurance lady called & told me I
was approved (poor lady).
I remember the abject fear....and that little tiny blaze of hope.
I couldn't even picture, in all of my imaginings, that I would end up where
I now am. I couldn't even picture a 118 pound me.
I would NEVER have believed that I had a "petite" frame.....I'd always been
"big boned"....or so I thought.
Maybe squeezing every last good thing out of post surgery life....and
maintaining a healthy weight is thanks enough for the incredible gift that
we've been given.
And it truly is a gift.
And a new start.
And a spectacular new chance.
Dee
:-)

Re: A sad scary "what if"...waxing philosophical

2007-09-27 12:44:51

I posted the news for a couple of reasons......
I'm 2.5 years out.......and I just realized that I had almost forgotten
where I started.
Probably not a bad thing entirely, but I have been enjoying life so
much.....and basking in the benefits, that I sometimes forget why I had the
surgery initially.
I've lost my weight....had most of my plastics.
I'm loving the admiring glances.
I'm enjoying all of the things that I missed out on in my teens & 20's.
This shook the sh*t out of me.
I saw her Friday before I left work.
Then....just gone...never to "be" again.
I know in my head that I could not have saved her life.....people don't do
this till THEY want to....or need to.
BUT.....there's small part that wonders if I had pushed a little
harder....would she have looked into it???
Would it have been in time?? or would she have died anyway....waiting for
surgery??
I feel almost guilty......I'm enjoying all of the perks & benefits......and
I've forgotten my 300 pound me.
I KNOW that I will never go back to what I was, and I remember the aches &
pains......but they're a nebulous memory.
There are days when I don't even think of the WLS.
I drink my protein & take my vitamins but it doesn't impinge as to why I'm
doing it.
I do still thank the powers that be for giving me my chance.....and maybe
taking the opportunity & squeezing as much out of life as I can is the best
way to go.
I remember bawling on the phone when the insurance lady called & told me I
was approved (poor lady).
I remember the abject fear....and that little tiny blaze of hope.
I couldn't even picture, in all of my imaginings, that I would end up where
I now am. I couldn't even picture a 118 pound me.
I would NEVER have believed that I had a "petite" frame.....I'd always been
"big boned"....or so I thought.
Maybe squeezing every last good thing out of post surgery life....and
maintaining a healthy weight is thanks enough for the incredible gift that
we've been given.
And it truly is a gift.
And a new start.
And a spectacular new chance.
Dee
:-)

Re: Getting in the self-destructive line.....

2007-09-27 07:01:33

Jeannie,
You are NOT pathetic. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. You are
going through a very, very, very tough time right now that you have
no control over. Sleeping with the boyfriend was expected. You
didn't need him, you needed someone, almost anyone would have done.
I thought you would have been past the I-feel-sorry-for-myself food
issues, but that was almost expected. This is tough and you can't
expect yourself to be perfect. So you slept with the old BF and you
ate stuff you shouldn't have. So what!?! Really. This is no big
deal.
Now that you realise that you aren't defined by there "errors", move
on. Don't let them wiggle their way into your head. Throw those
thoughts away, and keep lookng for that job. Scour the internet, the
online newpaper classifieds, any head hunters out there, call
companies that need your kind of talents and ask for an interview or
to just send your resume. Don't let up. This is important. You
know you do a great job, you have raaised a good kid, paid your
bills, lost weight and exercised regularly. You are no messed up
lady, you are strong.
You are allowed weaknesses on occasion. You know you made a mistake,
now stop that and put it away. We are all routing for you Jeannie,
because we all need support sometimes.
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Getting in the self-destructive line.....

2007-09-27 02:26:09

Jeannie, sometimes we really crave a pair of comforting arms. I am very
relieved your son is on board. Naomi
Jeannie <jmartino_leclerc@...
I found myself doing the same thing yesterday. I am just so
discombobulated by life. You would think that I would control my
eating so that I could have control over "something".
Have had many job interviews, but none are local. I really don't want
to sell my house, take a big fat loss, and move to godknowswhere. My
son is resigned to this now. I really wish I could hold out until
early June when school is out, but that is not reality. I can't
afford to be unemployed that long, and there is no one here for him to
stay with. (His "dad" has had no contact in years, and he lives 1500
miles away.)
Once a decision is made, I will be fine. The uncertainty has me
popping Atavans and trying not to freak. I'm going to get off my butt
and go for a run now. Exercise is about the only thing that keeps my
mind off of "things." (Oh, to add the fun, I am so incredibly stupid
that I slept with old BF today. He is still not "ready" and I'll be
moving. Guess I just wanted the familiarity and comfort, at least for
a few hours. I am pathetic.)
Jeannie

Getting in the self-destructive line.....

2007-09-26 16:58:24

Oh Cathy,
I found myself doing the same thing yesterday. I am just so
discombobulated by life. You would think that I would control my
eating so that I could have control over "something".
Have had many job interviews, but none are local. I really don't want
to sell my house, take a big fat loss, and move to godknowswhere. My
son is resigned to this now. I really wish I could hold out until
early June when school is out, but that is not reality. I can't
afford to be unemployed that long, and there is no one here for him to
stay with. (His "dad" has had no contact in years, and he lives 1500
miles away.)
Once a decision is made, I will be fine. The uncertainty has me
popping Atavans and trying not to freak. I'm going to get off my butt
and go for a run now. Exercise is about the only thing that keeps my
mind off of "things." (Oh, to add the fun, I am so incredibly stupid
that I slept with old BF today. He is still not "ready" and I'll be
moving. Guess I just wanted the familiarity and comfort, at least for
a few hours. I am pathetic.)
Jeannie

cookies

2007-09-26 10:32:42

I am so bummed. My daughter was selling cookies for choir and I was looking
forward to having a couple. They come in the day of my surgery, so I won't be
getting any. We're getting 5 different kinds, each with 48 cookies. It's going
to be so hard to bake them and not eat any.
Pauleen

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] cookies

2007-09-26 09:53:34

The cookies can't possibly taste as good as getting healthy and looking great
will be!!!!! Naomi
Pauleen McCollum <mcco2lum@...
daughter was selling cookies for choir and I was looking forward to having a
couple. They come in the day of my surgery, so I won't be getting any. We're
getting 5 different kinds, each with 48 cookies. It's going to be so hard to
bake them and not eat any.
Pauleen

Firemen

2007-09-26 00:34:46

Not any more, but I could probably find an ashtray somewhere in my
house. It could be worth a look.
Lizanne
PS. I quit on Independence Day 2007, after reading that book "The
Easy Way to Stop Smoking" by Allen Carr, and have never gone back.

Re: How do I......

2007-09-25 15:49:14

Someone else may know something that I don't (and if you do, please
chime in!), but what I know is this: if you read the messages via the
web, there IS no way to create a signature. If you read and reply to
e-mails, you can create a signature in your mail program (AOL, Road
Runner, whatever) BUT that signature will get attached to EVERYONE you
e-mail to from that account. That's the biggest reason I don't put
stats in... I read from the web and use the e-mail account attached to

Re: Yeah, I've been pretty destructive.......however...........

2007-09-25 12:10:09

Good for you! And you're right... you're not alone because you have
all of US! :)
Lora

A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-25 07:29:19

Cathy, she may NOT have had any known health problems. My highest
weight was 332 (ugh), and other than arthritis in my knees, some
sleep apnea that asn't even serious enough to warrant a CPAP, and
blood sugar that had been slowly creeping upward (but was not in the
warning zone YET), I did not have any medical issues. (Fortunately,
at my weight, my BMI alone qualified me for surgery.) I just KNEW,
however, that because my father's side of the family has a strong
history of heart problems, and because my dad is diabetic, I was
HEADED for trouble. I could easily have been that woman... dropping
dead of a heart attack with no prior warning.
Lora
(-104 pounds)

A sad scary "what if".....cathy

2007-09-25 03:04:13

Cathy, I think that story was posted here to help ALL of us!!! It really
makes you think and it should also make us grateful that we have been given this
opportunity to enjoy the rest of our lives. PS welcome back to the tea
traders!!! Naomi
cathymonsell <Sarrah345@...
That WAS going to be me! I was 317 pounds, but so sick and have so
many health problems. I'm sure she had problems medically, but
didn't tell anyone.
Even though I wasn't alone before my surgery (I have a wonderful
hubby and close family and friends) I sure felt alone.
I'm 36 and that sure saddens me about that woman. I hate to know she
was truly alone!
~Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/174/150-160-ish

Calcium citrate........what I take

2007-09-24 14:37:26

Hi all,
I'm just letting you all know what kind of calcium citrate I take,
because I had such trouble finding one that isn't the size of a
horse, but was 500 mg (of calcium citrate) for each capsule.
I get them at vitalady.com, and you get 240 in a bottle.
Here's what the label says:
Nature's Science
Calcium Citrate
+Magnesium & Vitamin D
240 capsules
back of label:
Supplement Facts
serving size 2 capsules
Calcium citrate 1,000mg
Magnesium 500mg
Vitamin D 400IU
I take one capsule three times a day.
Those chalky tablets I tried were nasty, and I tried liquid calcium
(yuck), and these capsules are a dream to take! Granted they're not
as small as say, Tylenol, but they're a heck of a lot easier to take
than most calcium citrates I tried. PS I also tried the calcium
citrate chews....they made me feel sick and it sat in the pouch like
a brick!
Good luck!
Hugs,
Cathy1

How do I......

2007-09-24 08:18:45

Put my stats and maybe a quote at the bottom of my posts? I hate
typing it all out every time I write a post. I don't know where to
change or add something like this.
Thanks,
Cathy1

Weight Loss &amp; Survival

2007-09-24 07:14:51

Survival and Changes in Comorbidities After Bariatric Surgery
Weight Loss Managment news Jan 17, 2008
To evaluate survival rates and changes in weight-related comorbid
conditions after bariatric surgery in a high-risk patient population
as compared with a similar cohort of morbidly obese patients who did
not undergo surgery.
Summary
Background Data: Morbid obesity is increasingly becoming a major
public health issue. Existing studies are limited in their ability to
assess the risks and benefits of bariatric surgery because few
studies compare surgical patients to a similar, morbidly obese,
nonsurgical cohort, especially in high-risk populations like the
elderly and disabled.
Methods:
A retrospective cohort analysis using Medicare fee-for-service
patients from 2001 to 2004. Survival rates and diagnosed presence of
5 conditions commonly comorbid with morbid obesity were examined for
morbidly obese patients who did and did not undergo bariatric
surgery, with up to 2 years follow-up.
Results:
Morbidly obese Medicare patients who underwent bariatric surgery had
increased survival rates over the 2 years of this study when compared
with a similar morbidly obese nonsurgical group (P < 0.001). For
patients under the age of 65, this survival advantage started at 6
months postoperatively and for patients over age 65, at 11 months.
The surgical group also experienced significant improvements in the
diagnosed prevalence of 5 weight-related comorbid conditions
(diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and coronary
artery disease) relative to the nonsurgical cohort after 1 year
postsurgery (P < 0.001).
Conclusions:
Bariatric surgery appears to increase survival even in the high-risk,
Medicare population, both for individuals aged 65 and older and those
disabled and under 65. In addition, the diagnosed prevalence of
weight-related comorbid conditions declined after bariatric surgery
relative to a control cohort of morbidly obese patients who did not
undergo surgery.

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Yeah, I've been pretty destructive.......however...........

2007-09-24 07:05:13

Cathy, whenever you are home and you are down or upset with anything. Don't
reach for food, hit your pc and write it down (like a journal) or in an email to
us. Letting it out will make you feel better and keep you occupied. I play
games on the pc to keep me occupied, i lose track of time more than TV, cause TV
just makes me think of food!
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Yeah, I've been pretty destructive.......however...........

2007-09-23 19:29:37

I am very alone and have been eating pretty destructively lately. I
know it is to fill holes in my life that aren't complete and that it's
not for hunger.
I've decided to STOP what I've been doing and begin again RIGHT NOW!
It's never too late to start over.
I have to live right now, and from here forward.....one minute, one
hour, one meal, one day at a time.
I have to stop feeling sorry for myself and pick myself back up.
Even though I feel so alone, I'm surrounded by such a large number of
friends and wonderful people here!
Hugs,
Cathy1

DAILY DOSE OF INSPIRATION

2007-09-23 10:47:37

Judy,
This is so true for myself. No more feeling like this will just be
another failure. It won't be unless "I" allow it. No more thinking
about what used to happen, just think about what "is" happening.
Thanks for the quote of the day.
Lizanne
251/174/125

A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-23 10:16:37

This story nearly made me cry!
That WAS going to be me! I was 317 pounds, but so sick and have so
many health problems. I'm sure she had problems medically, but
didn't tell anyone.
Even though I wasn't alone before my surgery (I have a wonderful
hubby and close family and friends) I sure felt alone.
I'm 36 and that sure saddens me about that woman. I hate to know she
was truly alone!
~Cathy1
Lap RNY 2/22/07
317/174/150-160-ish

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] DAILY DOSE OF INSPIRATION (from web)

2007-09-22 23:16:17

Dont Look Back
We
ought not to look back unless it is to derive useful lessons from past
errors, and for the purpose of profiting by dear-brought experience.
-George Washington
Take a lesson from the Father of Our Countrythis is a hugely important piece of
advice to follow.
Weve all had trouble sticking to weight loss programs in the past, and
many of us have had to start and stop several times to get things
moving in the right direction. But while these things may cause us
great angst when were about to venture out into the world of weight
loss once again, we have to remember that they really dont matter.
Whatever the reason you might not have done so well before, it doesnt
matter now. That time is gone, and this is a whole different set of
circumstances. Its a different time and a different place, and you can
achieve different results!
Mistakes dont have to be viewed as tragedies; the truth is, theyre
usually not. Instead, treat the mistakes as learning experiences. It is
these good and bad experiences that allow us to make good decisions in
the future. Both negative and positive results drive home valuable
lessons regarding behavior that works and that doesnt.
Forget the past by focusing on the present and the futuresome great advice from
a Founding Father!
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] I started a blog...

2007-09-22 23:09:22

Hi Amy, how are you? getting excited?? great weight loss. I am very proud of
you!
I also spent the weekend starting a personal page for my journey but I may
switch over to blogspot, was it easy to build? i did a geocities one through

A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-22 12:32:33

What's the best thing is that WE ARE NOT ALONE. We have our online friends who
we can count on for support and some lovin' :)
and who will miss us if we're gone!
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Tea Club

2007-09-22 06:04:30

My daughter is doing Michael Thurmond 6 week.. She made a plate of food
yesterday (small plate!) It was fish with peppers, tomatoes, onions, carrots
all julienned and broiled together. No salt, no fat, no bread just sprinkled
with It's a Dilly, but it looked fabulous. Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I think you are right....we should appreciate the appearance of food
more now that we aren't constantly trying to stuff our tummies. We
should concentrate more of the presentation...like they do on all
those cooking shows. No one just slaps a burger on a naked plate.
They drizzle pretty little sauces all around. It's still just a
burger, but it looks nicer.
Lizanne

Tea Club

2007-09-22 03:01:18

Naomi,
That site *is* amazing!! The tea is too pretty to drink!!! How in the
world do they do that, I wonder?!
Jill
-28.2

Tea Club

2007-09-21 18:01:11

Naomi,
I think you are right....we should appreciate the appearance of food
more now that we aren't constantly trying to stuff our tummies. We
should concentrate more of the presentation...like they do on all
those cooking shows. No one just slaps a burger on a naked plate.
They drizzle pretty little sauces all around. It's still just a
burger, but it looks nicer.
Lizanne

Tea Club

2007-09-21 11:51:47

To me they are like the edible flowers that fancy restaurants put on food!
Just more of an adventure than food! Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I looked this morning at the site. My friend tells me that they have
that on QVC all the time. She says it does not look very appetizing,
but we are all different in our likes. I didn't look at the cost, but
I bet they aren't cheap!!
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] calcium dosage

2007-09-21 10:17:48

Actually all of my vits and other supplements come from my surgeon! My pcp
just does the blood work. Sounds kind of wierd now that I am writing it!
Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Your doctor may be right. If, as we get older, we absorb less
calcium, then by taking 1000 mg at a time, he is assuring himself
that you are getting at least 1000 mg per day plus the amount you get
from eating. If you only take 500 mg at a time, but have trouble
squeezing in 4 different dosage time, then you aren't guaranteed at
least 1000 mg. Don't take our advice for what you should do, ask
your PCP next time you see him.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Tea Club

2007-09-21 02:59:54

Naomi,
I looked this morning at the site. My friend tells me that they have
that on QVC all the time. She says it does not look very appetizing,
but we are all different in our likes. I didn't look at the cost, but
I bet they aren't cheap!!
Lizanne

calcium dosage

2007-09-20 19:24:23

Naomi,
Your doctor may be right. If, as we get older, we absorb less
calcium, then by taking 1000 mg at a time, he is assuring himself
that you are getting at least 1000 mg per day plus the amount you get
from eating. If you only take 500 mg at a time, but have trouble
squeezing in 4 different dosage time, then you aren't guaranteed at
least 1000 mg. Don't take our advice for what you should do, ask
your PCP next time you see him.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Re: A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-20 18:40:47

Dee,
That is so sad.
I'm glad that you, and all of us, opted for better health and a
chance to live.
Jill
-28.3

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-20 02:49:16

This is kind of a weird question, but does anyone know how long it
takes after losing the weight to actually become healthier? You
know...like when you stop smoking, they have this chart saying how
long better health should start to show after you quit. I wonder if
there is something like that for obesity. I would think that it
doesn't just magically appear as I lose each pound. Don't get me
wrong, I am sure there is some immediate benefit, (GERD, less pain
walking, BP, etc.), but what about actual reduction in heart attacks
and similar conditions?
Lizanne
251/174/125

A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-20 00:56:01

I agree, that was the saddest part. I can't imagine being alone. There are
times I feel alone even though I am surrounded by people. When something is
going on in my head and I don't feel brave enough to share it, but to actually
BE alone is terrifying to me. Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I'm sorry to hear this story. We hear something similar all the
time. A fairly young person who is overweight. The saddest part of
your story is the aloneness. I am single but I have a very close
family, not only in miles, but in relationship. I am lucky.
I truly went into this surgery for my health. I thought it would be
nice if my appearance improved because I don't want to be single for
the rest of my life. It's odd, but now that I am so much healthier I
forget sometimes that this is why I had the surgery. I complain
about being bald, and the saggy skin, but I forget to be greatful for
what I have achieved as far as health goes. The one thing that does
amaze me every day is that I exercise and I enjoy the water
aerobics. I still hate the treadmill. It just isn't social enough.
Thank you for the reminder of how far I have come.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Tea Club

2007-09-19 17:54:57

Did anyone check out that rareteas website that I posted a link to? I told my
daughter that is what she can get me for my birthday in July!!! I have decided
that tea is also going to be one of my new things to replace grazing. I always
liked tea, but I am going to make it more of a GoTo to help me to not go back to
grazing or stress eating. Naomi

Re: A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-19 17:01:52

Dee,
I'm sorry to hear this story. We hear something similar all the
time. A fairly young person who is overweight. The saddest part of
your story is the aloneness. I am single but I have a very close
family, not only in miles, but in relationship. I am lucky.
I truly went into this surgery for my health. I thought it would be
nice if my appearance improved because I don't want to be single for
the rest of my life. It's odd, but now that I am so much healthier I
forget sometimes that this is why I had the surgery. I complain
about being bald, and the saggy skin, but I forget to be greatful for
what I have achieved as far as health goes. The one thing that does
amaze me every day is that I exercise and I enjoy the water
aerobics. I still hate the treadmill. It just isn't social enough.
Thank you for the reminder of how far I have come.
Lizanne
251/174/125

Tea Club

2007-09-19 08:51:39

Thanks Jill, I usually go to a local place or Sam's club for flavored teas, but
I can't get over the teas available from Celestial. Naomi
Jill <jsplds@...
I'm going to have to do the same thing. Celestial Seasonings teas are
not individually wrapped bags. I'm just going to put a label on each
zipper bag of 3 teabags so that the recipient will know what's in the
bag, where I purchased it, a web addy if they can't find it locally
and want to order it online, and who it came from.
I think that Celestial Seasonings is carried pretty widely in stores
nationwide, but they have lots more flavors than I ever see on any of
the grocery stores around here. Those can be found online. My
ordering experiences with them have been outstanding.
Jill
-28.3

Tea Club

2007-09-18 22:14:11

Naomi,
I'm going to have to do the same thing. Celestial Seasonings teas are
not individually wrapped bags. I'm just going to put a label on each
zipper bag of 3 teabags so that the recipient will know what's in the
bag, where I purchased it, a web addy if they can't find it locally
and want to order it online, and who it came from.
I think that Celestial Seasonings is carried pretty widely in stores
nationwide, but they have lots more flavors than I ever see on any of
the grocery stores around here. Those can be found online. My
ordering experiences with them have been outstanding.
Jill
-28.3

Re: My Dad Update

2007-09-18 16:04:39

Hi Sharon,
I'm so glad your dad came through the surgery just fine. I was
thinking about and praying for him. I'll continue to pray that they
find some answers as to why he keeps filling up with water.
*HUGS*
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: Reintroducing myself

2007-09-18 12:52:50

Hi Barbara! I'm so glad you got that email thing straightened out so
you can join in the fun here! Welcome to the group!
Congrats on your weight loss! Doesn't it feel wonderful to have those
pounds gone, gone, gone?
Your body may have a somewhat different way of telling you that your
pouch is sufficiently full. Maybe that gassy feeling is your way of
knowing that you've had enough. Different people can get different
signals. As you take note of how your body responds, you will learn
how to distinguish your body's clues.
I'm 11 weeks post-op, and I still can't eat a cup of any kind of food
yet. Depending on the density of the food you eat, you may be able to
eat more or less from meal to meal. Also, from what I understand,
some people can eat more than others can.
Could you prepare the recipes and keep half for another meal? If that
won't work, can you cut the recipe in half so that you make just the
right amount of food for a single meal?
Jill
-28.2

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] My Dad Update

2007-09-18 09:56:43

I am glad you know what is going on. that is so hard and stressful. How is
you Mom holding up? Naomi
Sharon Buffo <septsweety@...
Lap done today and he came out fine .. mom said he was resting well when she
left to go back home. .
They took biopsy of inner wall of abdomen, a portion of his small intestines,
and she thought the liver as well. . They also drained i think 5 liters of fluid
off his abdomen again .. he was so swollen that mom said his belly button
ruptured. . LOL actually he had a hernia there that they fixed also. . we wont
know for a few days the results, and they still didnt know exactly why his
abdomen keeps filling up. . like i said before . .i think they are going to find
its due to his kidney's failing . .I wasnt going to call tonight. . mom said he
was real tired from the procedure so i hope to talk to him tomorrow. . will let
everyone know more when i know more
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
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Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-18 01:59:35

Wow so sad and like someone said. . an eye opener ...
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
Lap RNY 7/30/07
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My Dad Update

2007-09-17 23:46:51

My dad had his exploritory Lap done today and he came out fine .. mom said he
was resting well when she left to go back home. .
They took biopsy of inner wall of abdomen, a portion of his small intestines,
and she thought the liver as well. . They also drained i think 5 liters of fluid
off his abdomen again .. he was so swollen that mom said his belly button
ruptured. . LOL actually he had a hernia there that they fixed also. . we wont
know for a few days the results, and they still didnt know exactly why his
abdomen keeps filling up. . like i said before . .i think they are going to find
its due to his kidney's failing . .I wasnt going to call tonight. . mom said he
was real tired from the procedure so i hope to talk to him tomorrow. . will let
everyone know more when i know more
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
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Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Calcium &amp; Lab Work Questions

2007-09-17 12:28:28

There is a bone density test called a dexa scan . .if your concerned. . contact
your PCP
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
Lap RNY 7/30/07
HW242**SW232**CW166**GW125-130

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Zinc in Your Diet

2007-09-17 07:40:36

interesting. . i think i might go get me some zinc :))
~*Sharon XOXO*~
"THIN feels better than FAT tastes!"
Lap RNY 7/30/07
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Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-17 00:14:19

I am sorry Dee. i think that it really puts everything back into focus. We all
knew that our health was at risk the way we were. We all chose to do this
radical thing to save our lives.
I am sorry for your loss.
Lisa A
ddrei_glas <ddrei_glas@...
When I got to work today it was to be told that a co-worker had
dropped dead on Friday.
On her way to the car park.
At the age of 34.
Heart attack.
She weighed 18 pounds more than I did when I had WLS.
We spoke a few weeks ago.
She was impressed with my weight loss....but not interested in losing.
She said he was happy with her life.
She died alone.
At the hospital.
No boyfriend, no husband.....family 19 hours away by car.
No to say "Good-Bye"
2.5 years ago I was her.
A bit of a reality check.
I realize that it could have been me.
Dee
:-(

Lisa A
284/271/173/135

Re: Update on Lisa B.

2007-09-16 22:22:48

Yeah, Lisa B! Congratulations!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-16 17:24:04

Wow, Dee... how awful. So very sad too.
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: Calcium &amp; Lab Work Questions

2007-09-16 11:21:14

I think the only way to tell definitively is to have a bone density
test. It's a nuclear/radiology test.
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/178/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-16 01:37:17

Oh dear how sad. Scarey!
Judy
"Happily Watching The Scale Go Down"
262/242
HW/CW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-15 22:10:38

No "stats" per se....but she was a bit heavier than me....and my BMI was
52.7.
She didn't have any health "issues".....just troubles walking (slow walker)
Dee
:-)

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Tea TryIt UPDATE PLEASE READ IF TRADING

2007-09-15 13:22:51

That sounds like a good idea to me Naomi. I can't wait to try it!!! See what I
started??? LOL
Pat
Naomi <nsmoschgat@...

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Update on Lisa B.

2007-09-15 11:00:35

Yayyyyyyyy Lisa!!! You are on your way!
Thanks for letting us know, Ally
Pat
Allison <allisonmarie22@...
Hello All-
I just heard from Lisa B's sister. She came through surgery just fine and is
doing well.
Welcome to the loser's lounge, Lisa!!!!
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/167/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-14 21:04:52

OMG! That is such an eye opener!! Really makes you think. Naomi
ddrei_glas <ddrei_glas@...
to be told that a co-worker had dropped dead on Friday.
On her way to the car park.
At the age of 34.
Heart attack.
She weighed 18 pounds more than I did when I had WLS.
We spoke a few weeks ago.
She was impressed with my weight loss....but not interested in losing.
She said he was happy with her life.
She died alone.
At the hospital.
No boyfriend, no husband.....family 19 hours away by car.
No to say "Good-Bye"
2.5 years ago I was her.
A bit of a reality check.
I realize that it could have been me.
Dee
:-(

Update on Lisa B.

2007-09-14 20:53:08

Hello All-
I just heard from Lisa B's sister. She came through surgery just fine and is
doing well.
Welcome to the loser's lounge, Lisa!!!!
~Ally~
Atlanta, GA
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/167/130
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-14 17:25:18

Dee, Do you know her stats? obese? that's just so sad, so young too. probably
had mild symptoms that women have and ignored them.
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

A sad scary "what if".....

2007-09-14 08:57:11

When I got to work today it was to be told that a co-worker had dropped dead on
Friday.
On her way to the car park.
At the age of 34.
Heart attack.
She weighed 18 pounds more than I did when I had WLS.
We spoke a few weeks ago.
She was impressed with my weight loss....but not interested in losing.
She said he was happy with her life.
She died alone.
At the hospital.
No boyfriend, no husband.....family 19 hours away by car.
No to say "Good-Bye"
2.5 years ago I was her.
A bit of a reality check.
I realize that it could have been me.
Dee
:-(

Calcium &amp; Lab Work Questions

2007-09-14 07:14:50

Hi Everyone,
A little bit ago someone had posted about breaking their leg and the
doctor saying that their bones were really soft, which obviously isn't
good. My question is, how can we find out if our bones are in this
condition BEFORE we break a bone? Is there a lab test they can do? I
am getting ready to have my lab work done and want to have it done if
I can or if there is one. Thanks!
~Tracy
298/132/150

Re: Tea Club

2007-09-13 16:13:33

I am not quite sure what I am sending. I had some egg nog hot tea I
really like at Christmas. I think I am going to suprise everyone!! I
need to know where to send the tea and when it is due by. Been to
busy to read all the posts.
THanks
Rebekah

More fentanyl patches recalled

2007-09-13 10:55:43

WASHINGTON - Patches containing the prescription painkiller fentanyl
were recalled for the second time in a week Monday, because of a flaw
that could cause patients or caregivers to overdose on the potent
drug inside.
Sold in the United States by Actavis South Atlantic LLC, the newly
recalled patches have both this name and the company's former name,
Abrika Pharmaceuticals Inc., on their packaging. The old name is on
the pouches that contain the patches and the new name is on the outer
carton.
Last Tuesday PriCara, a division of Johnson & Johnson, announced a
recall of fentanyl patches manufactured by its affiliate ALZA Corp.
Monday's recall includes 25-microgram-per-hour, 50-microgram-per-
hour, 75 microgram-per-hour and 100 microgram-per-hour patches with
expiration dates of May through August 2009.
Some of the patches may have a defect that can cause them to leak,
putting patients and caregivers at risk of coming into direct contact
with the powerful "opioid" drug inside. This could result in
difficulty breathing and a potentially fatal overdose.
The company has not received any reports of injuries related to this
defect.
Damaged patches should be flushed down the toilet and not handled.
Skin that has been exposed to the gel should be thoroughly rinsed
with water, but not washed with soap.
The recalled patches were manufactured for Actavis Inc. by Corium
International Inc. Activis Inc. is a division of Actavis Group hf.

[WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Maria

2007-09-13 08:10:47

Hi Maria, I mentioned this before but there are so many emails you might have
missed it, do you have an Angel for your day on Friday? if not, I'd be honored
to be there for you! let me know, or if you'd like someone else, pick someone.
very excited for you.
"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength" Philippians 4:13
Judy -- My Day July 23, 2008 - - 30 DAYS TO GO
262/234
HW/CW
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Re: Doc appt

2007-09-13 05:49:54

26 lbs down already - that's fantastic! Keep up the great work!
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/164/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

[WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Maria - Sharon

2007-09-12 19:42:32

Hey Sharon - You and Pat also end up in my spambox...You are a 50-50 shot but
Pat is always going there....What is that?

Judy - You are becoming the site angel! LOL...you go girl.

Maria, good luck to you. I am very excited for you.
Lisa A
284/154/135 ~ 19# to go!
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From: Judy R. <losingforlife08@...
Subject: Re: Re: [WLS Friendship & Support] Maria

Zinc in Your Diet

2007-09-12 08:57:57

(HealthDay News) - Zinc is a mineral that the body needs to help the
immune system, in wound healing, and in the breakdown of
carbohydrates. Second only to iron in its concentration in the body,
zinc is found in protein-rich foods such as meat, peanuts and peanut
butter, and legumes.
If you're not getting enough zinc, here's a list of possible warning
signs, courtesy of the U.S. National Library of Medicine:
Slow growth rate.
No appetite.
Slow-healing wounds, lesions on the skin, and persistent infections.
Hair loss.
Abnormalities in your ability to taste and smell.
Difficulty seeing in the dark.
Insufficient hormone production in men.

Kidney stones and intestinal bypass

2007-09-12 08:05:56

Calcium oxalate stones may also form in people who have chronic
inflammation of the bowel or who have had an intestinal bypass
operation, or ostomy surgery. As mentioned earlier, struvite stones
can form in people who have had a urinary tract infection. People who
take the protease inhibitor indinavir, a medicine used to treat HIV
infection, may also be at increased risk of developing kidney stones.
Foods and Drinks Containing Oxalate
People prone to forming calcium oxalate stones may be asked by their
doctor to limit or avoid certain foods if their urine contains an
excess of oxalate.
High-oxalate foodshigher to lower
rhubarb
spinach
beets
swiss chard
wheat germ
soybean crackers
peanuts
okra
chocolate
black Indian tea
sweet potatoes
Foods that have medium amounts of oxalate may be eaten in limited
amounts.
Medium-oxalate foodshigher to lower
grits
grapes
celery
green pepper
red raspberries
fruit cake
strawberries
marmalade
liver

JOB

2007-09-12 03:58:13

Alley,
I'm so sorry about your job. I fully understand the feeling of having to get
out though. Please hang in there as things will work out.
Jenn

Tea Club

2007-09-11 14:47:22

Hi Tea baggers!!! I just got my Canadian Maple Vanilla in the mail
and it is really yummy, kind of reminds me of a sweet roll (and
that's not bad!!) The only problem is they are not individually
wrapped, so I am going to put 3 in a snack size zip lock and write
the flavor on a label on each zip lock bag and then put an address
label on each bag. Does anyone else have a better idea?? Also
check out this website!!! TOO COOL!!!! http://www.rariteas.com/---

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support]tummy tuck

2007-09-11 08:33:13

What's the difference?
Thanks,
Edie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] 4 year check-up..

2007-09-11 06:24:07

Theresa,
I want to be you when I grow up:o) Great job!! 4 years out...you are an
inspiration.
Edie
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Theresa Rodriguez <trodri9302@...

Tea Club

2007-09-10 22:03:59

27 is right at the moment and I honestly think no-one else is going to email me.
Make sure the envelope is large enough to hold a little more than you are
sending because I made us each a tea bag wallet to send with my tea bags. So
it will weigh heavier when it is returned. I will probably have to have all
the envelopes reweighed, that's why I was hoping everyone would just send $1.50
(I usually send cash when it is a tiny amount like that even though I know it's
not recommended) in with the tea bags and I will return any extra money and use
the plastic envelopes I have. Do what is easiest for you!!!! Also, this is
my info and I will be repeating it again tomorrow!!! NAOMI MOSCHGAT 125
RADIAN DRIVE - JOHNSTOWN, PA 15904
"Judy R." <losingforlife08@...
stamped self address envelope along with my tea. that should make it easier for
you. can't wait. So as of this point we need to send you 27 bags?
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Extensive Calcium info-long long long

2007-09-10 15:39:17

Thanks for the post, I am going to save the info. I think he doubled mine
because of the malabsorption theory. Which means if I am taking 1000 I would
be getting half of that. I wish there were more studies of this. My
orthopedic dr is very concerned about vitamins and nutrition for his patients
that have had wls. He always tells me "your weight will go down, but your
bones will turn to shit." Exact quote!!!! Naomi

Tea Club

2007-09-10 12:58:43

Naomi, I will send you a stamped self address envelope along with my tea. that
should make it easier for you. can't wait. So as of this point we need to send
you 27 bags?
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] kaiser

2007-09-10 04:11:06

hi debby, i went ahead and called Kaiser today and reported weight and told them
i was 5 lbs from goal and to put me on list. now I wait to see if they call and
say call back when at goal or they will go ahead and put me on psyche eval list.
I'm going to go to group this Friday and get official weigh in for the records.
from the psyche eval to the call for surgery, how long was it for you?
Valeri, how long was your weight from the time you saw psyche until you got call
for surgery date?
Judy - 8 weeks to go for Travis
"Happily Watching the Scale Go Down"
California
262/242

Calcium and soda

2007-09-09 23:32:43

ASK DR. ROSENFELD
QUESTION: What is it in cola drinks that reduces the availability of
calcium?
ANSWER: Soft drinks can decrease the absorption of calcium from the
stomach into the bloodstream. Many colas contain phosphoric acid, and
while phosphorus is an essential bone mineral, some studies suggest
that too much of it in the body can interfere with the calcium
absorption. I'm not certain that's correct. There is general
agreement, however, that caffeine does have a small effect on
absorption. Two cans of cola (or one six-ounce cup of regular brewed
coffee) can cause the loss of 5 mg of calcium.

[WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Maria - Sharon

2007-09-09 23:26:19

funny, Lisa. I just like helping out and I sitting at pc all day with my phone
so it's easy for folks to get a hold of me and for me to pass info to the group.
:)

"I can do everything through Him who gives me strength" Philippians 4:13
Judy -- My Day July 23, 2008 - - 30 DAYS TO GO
262/234
HW/CW
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Extensive Calcium info-long long long

2007-09-09 09:01:44

Naomi,
The last paragraph says not to take more than 500 mg at a time
because your body can't absorb it. I know this is a lot of info, but
I thought there was some very important statements made that effect
us.
Lizanne
Table 1: Recommended Adequate Intake by the IOM for CalciumMale and
Female Age Calcium (mg/day) Pregnancy & Lactation
0 to 6 months 210 N/A
7 to 12 months 270 N/A
1 to 3 years 500 N/A
4 to 8 years 800 N/A
9 to 13 years 1300 N/A
14 to 18 years 1300 1300
19 to 50 years 1000 1000
51+ years 1200 N/A
*mg=milligrams
What foods provide calcium?
In the United States (U.S.), milk, yogurt and cheese are the major
contributors of calcium in the typical diet. The inadequate intake of
dairy foods may explain why some Americans are deficient in calcium
since dairy foods are the major source of calcium in the diet. The
U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Guide Pyramid recommends that
individuals two years and older eat 2-3 servings of dairy products
per day. A serving is equal to:
1 cup (8 fl oz) of milk
8 oz of yogurt
1.5 oz of natural cheese (such as Cheddar)
2.0 oz of processed cheese (such as American)
A variety of non-fat and reduced fat dairy products that contain the
same amount of calcium as regular dairy products are available in the
U.S. today for individuals concerned about saturated fat content from
regular dairy products.
Although dairy products are the main source of calcium in the U.S.
diet, other foods also contribute to overall calcium intake.
Individuals with lactose intolerance (those who experience symptoms
such as bloating and diarrhea because they cannot completely digest
the milk sugar lactose) and those who are vegan (people who consume
no animal products) tend to avoid or completely eliminate dairy
products from their diets. Thus, it is important for these
individuals to meet their calcium needs with alternative calcium
sources if they choose to avoid or eliminate dairy products from
their diet. Foods such as Chinese cabbage, kale and broccoli are
other alternative calcium sources. Although most grains are not high
in calcium (unless fortified), they do contribute calcium to the diet
because they are consumed frequently. Additionally, there are several
calcium-fortified food sources presently available, including fruit
juices, fruit drinks, tofu and cereals.
Table 2: Selected Food Sources of Calcium
Food Calcium (mg) % DV*
Yogurt, plain, low fat, 8 oz. 415 42%
Yogurt, fruit, low fat, 8 oz. 245-384 25%-38%
Sardines, canned in oil, with bones, 3 oz. 324 32%
Cheddar cheese, 1 ½ oz shredded 306 31%
Milk, non-fat, 8 fl oz. 302 30%
Milk, (2% milk fat), no solids, 8 fl oz. 297 30%
Milk, whole (3.25% milk fat), 8 fl oz 291 29%
Milk, buttermilk, 8 fl oz. 285 29%
Milk, lactose reduced, 8 fl oz.** 285-302 29-30%
Mozzarella, part skim 1 ½ oz. 275 28%
Tofu, made w/calcium sulfate, ½ cup*** 204 20%
Orange juice, calcium fortified, 6 fl oz. 200-260 20-26%
Salmon, pink, canned, with bone, 3 oz. 181 18%
Pudding, chocolate, made w/ 2% milk, ½ cup 153 15%
Cottage cheese, 1% milk fat, 1 cup unpacked 138 14%
Spinach, cooked, ½ cup 120 12%
Instant breakfast, various brands, prepared with water, 8 fl oz.
105-250 10-25%
Frozen yogurt, vanilla, soft serve, ½ cup 103 10%
Ready to eat cereal, calcium fortified, 1 c 100-1000 10%-100%
Turnip greens, boiled, ½ cup 99 10%
Kale, cooked, 1 cup 94 9%
Kale, raw, 1 cup 90 9%
Ice cream, vanilla, ½ cup 85 8.5%
Soy beverage, calcium fortified, 8 fl oz. 80-500 8-50%
Chinese cabbage, raw, 1 cup 74 7%
Tortilla, corn, ready to bake/fry, 1 medium 42 4%
Tortilla, flour, ready to eat, one 6" dia 37 4%
Sour cream, reduced fat, cultured, 2 Tbsp 32 3%
Bread, white, 1 oz 31 3%
Broccoli, raw, ½ cup 21 2%
Bread, whole wheat, 1 slice 20 2%
Cheese, cream, regular, 1 Tbsp 12 1%
*DV=Daily Value
**Content varies slightly according to fat content; average =300 mg
calcium
*** Calcium values are only for tofu processed with a calcium salt.
Tofu processed with a non-calcium salt will not contain significant
amounts of calcium.
Daily Values (DV) were developed to help consumers determine if a
typical serving of a food contains a lot or a little of a specific
nutrient. The DV for calcium is based on 1000 mg.
The following are strategies and tips to help you meet your calcium
needs each day:
Use low fat or fat free milk instead of water in recipes such as
pancakes, mashed potatoes, pudding and instant, hot breakfast cereals.
Blend a fruit smoothie made with low fat or fat free yogurt for a
great breakfast.
Sprinkle grated low fat or fat free cheese on salad, soup or pasta.
Choose low fat or fat free milk instead of carbonated soft drinks.
Serve raw fruits and vegetables with a low fat or fat free yogurt
based dip.
Create a vegetable stir-fry and toss in diced calcium-set tofu.
Enjoy a parfait with fruit and low fat or fat free yogurt.
Complement your diet with calcium-fortified foods such as certain
cereals, orange juice and soy beverages
What affects calcium absorption and excretion?
Calcium absorption refers to the amount of calcium that is absorbed
from the digestive tract into our body's circulation. Calcium
absorption can be affected by the calcium status of the body, vitamin
D status, age, pregnancy and plant substances in the diet. The amount
of calcium consumed at one time such as in a meal can also affect
absorption. For example, the efficiency of calcium absorption
decreases as the amount of calcium consumed at a meal increases.
Age:
Net calcium absorption can be as high as 60% in infants and young
children, when the body needs calcium to build strong bones.
Absorption slowly decreases to 15-20% in adulthood and even more as
one ages. Because calcium absorption declines with age,
recommendations for dietary intake of calcium are higher for adults
ages 51 and over.
Vitamin D:
Vitamin D helps improve calcium absorption. Your body can obtain
vitamin D from food and it can also make vitamin D when your skin is
exposed to sunlight. Thus, adequate vitamin D intake from food and
sun exposure is essential to bone health. The Office of Dietary
Supplement's vitamin D fact sheet provides more information:
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp.
Pregnancy:
Current calcium recommendations for nonpregnant women are also
sufficient for pregnant women because intestinal calcium absorption
increases during pregnancy. For this reason, the calcium
recommendations established for pregnant women are not different than
the recommendations for women who are not pregnant.
Plant substances:
Phytic acid and oxalic acid, which are found naturally in some
plants, may bind to calcium and prevent it from being absorbed
optimally. These substances affect the absorption of calcium from the
plant itself not the calcium found in other calcium-containing foods
eaten at the same time. Examples of foods high in oxalic acid are
spinach, collard greens, sweet potatoes, rhubarb, and beans. Foods
high in phytic acid include whole grain bread, beans, seeds, nuts,
grains, and soy isolates. Although soybeans are high in phytic acid,
the calcium present in soybeans is still partially absorbed. Fiber,
particularly from wheat bran, could also prevent calcium absorption
because of its content of phytate. However, the effect of fiber on
calcium absorption is more of a concern for individuals with low
calcium intakes. The average American tends to consume much less
fiber per day than the level that would be needed to affect calcium
absorption.
Calcium excretion refers to the amount of calcium eliminated from the
body in urine, feces and sweat. Calcium excretion can be affected by
many factors including dietary sodium, protein, caffeine and
potassium.
Sodium and protein:
Typically, dietary sodium and protein increase calcium excretion as
the amount of their intake is increased. However, if a high protein,
high sodium food also contains calcium, this may help counteract the
loss of calcium.
Potassium:
Increasing dietary potassium intake (such as from 7-8 servings of
fruits and vegetables per day) in the presence of a high sodium diet
(
Level of 2300 mg for sodium per day) may help decrease calcium
excretion particularly in postmenopausal women.
Caffeine:
Caffeine has a small effect on calcium absorption. It can temporarily
increase calcium excretion and may modestly decrease calcium
absorption, an effect easily offset by increasing calcium consumption
in the diet. One cup of regular brewed coffee causes a loss of only 2-
3 mg of calcium easily offset by adding a tablespoon of milk.
Moderate caffeine consumption, (1 cup of coffee or 2 cups of tea per
day), in young women who have adequate calcium intakes has little to
no negative effects on their bones.
Other factors:
Phosphorus: The effect of dietary phosphorus on calcium is minimal.
Some researchers speculate that the detrimental effects of consuming
foods high in phosphate such as carbonated soft drinks is due to the
replacement of milk with soda rather than the phosphate level itself.
Alcohol: Alcohol can affect calcium status by reducing the intestinal
absorption of calcium. It can also inhibit enzymes in the liver that
help convert vitamin D to its active form which in turn reduces
calcium absorption. However, the amount of alcohol required to affect
calcium absorption is unknown. Evidence is currently conflicting
whether moderate alcohol consumption is helpful or harmful to bone.
Calcium and bone health
Your bones are living tissues and continue to change throughout life.
During childhood and adolescence, bones increase in size and mass.
Bones continue to add more mass until around age 30, when peak bone
mass is reached. Peak bone mass is the point when the maximum amount
of bone is achieved. Because bone loss, like bone growth, is a
gradual process, the stronger your bones are at age 30, the more your
bone loss will be delayed as you age. Therefore, it is particularly
important to consume adequate calcium and vitamin D throughout
infancy, childhood, and adolescence. It is also important to engage
in weight-bearing exercise to maximize bone strength and bone density
(amount of bone tissue in a certain volume of bone) to help prevent
osteoporosis later in life. Weight bearing exercise is the type of
exercise that causes your bones and muscles to work against gravity
while they bear your weight. Resistance exercises such as weight
training are also important because they help to improve muscle mass
and bone strength.
Examples of weight bearing exercise
walking
running
dancing
aerobics
skating
Examples of NON-weight bearing exercise
swimming
bicycling
water aerobics
Osteoporosis is a disorder characterized by porous, fragile bones. It
is a serious public health problem for more than 10 million
Americans, 80% of whom are women. Another 34 million Americans have
osteopenia, or low bone mass, which precedes osteoporosis.
Osteoporosis is a concern because of its association with fractures
of the hip, vertebrae, wrist, pelvis, ribs, and other bones. Each
year, Americans suffer from 1.5 million fractures because of
osteoporosis.
Osteoporosis and osteopenia can result from dietary factors such as:
chronically low calcium intake
low vitamin D intake
poor calcium absorption
excess calcium excretion
When calcium intake is low or calcium is poorly absorbed, bone
breakdown occurs because the body must use the calcium stored in
bones to maintain normal biological functions such as nerve and
muscle function. Bone loss also occurs as a part of the aging
process. A prime example is the loss of bone mass observed in post-
menopausal women because of decreased amounts of the hormone
estrogen. Researchers have identified many factors that increase the
risk for developing osteoporosis. These factors include being female,
thin, inactive, of advanced age, cigarette smoking, excessive intake
of alcohol, and having a family history of osteoporosis.
In 1993 the FDA authorized a health claim for food labels on calcium
and osteoporosis in response to scientific evidence that an
inadequate calcium intake is one factor that can lead to low peak
bone mass and is considered a risk factor for osteoporosis. The claim
states that "adequate calcium intake throughout life is linked to
reduced risk of osteoporosis through the mechanism of optimizing peak
bone mass during adolescence and early adulthood and decreasing bone
loss later in life".
Various bone mineral density (BMD) tests, including those that
measure your hip, spine, wrist, finger, shin bone, and heel, can help
determine bone mass. These tests provide a T-score which is a measure
of bone mineral density that compares an individual's BMD to an
optimal BMD of a 30 year old healthy adult. See Figure 2 below. A T-
Score of -1.0 and above indicates normal bone density. A T-score of -
1.0 to -2.5 indicates that a person is considered to have low bone
mass (osteopenia). A score below -2.5 indicates osteoporosis.
Calcium and Medication Interactions
Calcium supplements have the potential to interact with several
prescription and over the counter medications. Further information
about these interactions is described below. Some examples of
medications that may interact with calcium include:
digoxin
fluroquinolones
levothyroxine
antibiotics in tetracycline family
tiludronate disodium
anticonvulsants such as phenytoin
thiazide, type of diuretic
glucocorticoids
mineral oil or stimulant laxatives
aluminum or magnesium containing antacids
Calcium supplements may decrease levels of the drug digoxin, a
medication given to heart patients. The interaction between calcium
and vitamin D supplements and digoxin may also increase the risk of
hypercalcemia. Calcium supplements also interact with
fluoroquinolones (a class of antibiotics including ciprofloxacin),
levothyroxine (thyroid hormone) used to treat thyroid deficiency,
antibiotics in the tetracycline family, tiludronate disodium (a drug
used to treat Paget's disease), and phenytoin (an anti-convulsant
drug). In all of these cases, calcium supplements decrease the
absorption of these drugs when the two are taken at the same time.
Thiazide, and diuretics similar to thiazide, can interact with
calcium carbonate and vitamin D supplements to increase the chances
of developing hypercalcemia and hypercalciuria (elevated levels of
calcium in urine). Aluminum and magnesium antacids can both increase
urinary calcium excretion. Mineral oil and stimulant laxatives can
both decrease dietary calcium absorption. Furthermore,
glucocorticoids (for example: prednisone) can cause calcium depletion
and eventually osteoporosis, when used for more than a few weeks.
Supplemental Sources of Calcium
The two main forms of calcium found in supplements are carbonate and
citrate. Calcium carbonate is the most common because it is
inexpensive and convenient. The absorption of calcium citrate is
similar to calcium carbonate. For instance, a calcium carbonate
supplement contains 40% calcium while a calcium citrate supplement
only contains 21% calcium. However, you have to take more pills of
calcium citrate to get the same amount of calcium as you would get
from a calcium carbonate pill since citrate is a larger molecule than
carbonate. One advantage of calcium citrate over calcium carbonate is
better absorption in those individuals who have decreased stomach
acid. Calcium citrate malate is a form of calcium used in the
fortification of certain juices and is also well absorbed [116].
Other forms of calcium in supplements or fortified foods include
calcium gluconate, lactate, and phosphate.
The amount of calcium your body obtains from various supplements
depends on the amount of elemental calcium in the tablet. The amount
of elemental calcium is the amount of calcium that actually is in the
supplement. Calcium absorption also depends on the total amount of
calcium consumed at one time and whether the calcium is taken with
food or on an empty stomach. Absorption from supplements is best in
doses 500 mg or less because the percent of calcium absorbed
decreases as the amount of calcium in the supplement increases.
Therefore, someone taking 1000 mg of calcium in a supplement should
take 500 mg twice a day instead of 1000 mg calcium at one time.

Re: FINALLY, something showing up on the tests

2007-09-09 07:33:56

Lora,
As you wrote...FINALLY an answer to what's causing the pain. I am
glad you have your hernia documented, every little bit helps. I know
that gall bladder stones are caused by cholesterol, but what causes
kidney stones, do you know? Just wondering since you and I have had
very similar things happen during this process.
Let us know if your surgeon has any recommendations or warnings
concerning RNY and kidney stones. Glad that you know what the
problems are and will now get something for the pain.
Lizanne

The Pasta Diet

2007-09-09 05:38:31

The Pasta Diet and Your Health
ITALIAN PASTA DIET -- IT REALLY WORKS!!
1. You walka pasta DA bakery.
2. You walka pasta DA candy store.
3. You walka pasta DA ice cream shop.
4. You walka pasta DA table and DA fridge.
You will lose weight!
And...
For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on
Nutrition and health.
It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting
Nutritional studies.
1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
Than Americans .
2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
Americans.
3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
Attacks than Americans.
4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart
Attacks than Americans.
5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
And suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.
CONCLUSION:
Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
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Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] FINALLY, something showing up on the tests

2007-09-08 21:33:29

So sorry to hear there are so many things going on, but I also am relieved to
know what is causing your pain. This is such a learning experience for all of
us INCLUDING THE DRS!!! Naomi
Lora <cicerogirl@...
morning about the scan they did
Friday morning. It shows my hernia, of course (good, because now we
have the picture and the size(!) on the report, which will make it
easier to get approval for the repair), shows a small mass on my
ovary (I only have one), and... a kidney stone in the left kidney!
No explanation of why it didn't show before (unless I am creating
them and then passing them), but I have an appt on Monday with a
urologist AND since they now have proof that the pain is not all in
my head, my PCP was willing to call in some pain meds for when the
pain gets bad. (Thank goodness!)
He wants an ultrasound of the ovary next week but I'm not concerned
about that (I think it's probably just a harmless cyst, because I
have not had any pain from it).
Now, I need to call the surgeon's office to see if there is anything
I need to know about kidney stones and RNY (knowing that, if there
is any kind of connection, the urologist might not know about it).
Lora
(-104 pounds)

FINALLY, something showing up on the tests

2007-09-08 12:08:07

I talked to my PCP's nurse this morning about the scan they did
Friday morning. It shows my hernia, of course (good, because now we
have the picture and the size(!) on the report, which will make it
easier to get approval for the repair), shows a small mass on my
ovary (I only have one), and... a kidney stone in the left kidney!
No explanation of why it didn't show before (unless I am creating
them and then passing them), but I have an appt on Monday with a
urologist AND since they now have proof that the pain is not all in
my head, my PCP was willing to call in some pain meds for when the
pain gets bad. (Thank goodness!)
He wants an ultrasound of the ovary next week but I'm not concerned
about that (I think it's probably just a harmless cyst, because I
have not had any pain from it).
Now, I need to call the surgeon's office to see if there is anything
I need to know about kidney stones and RNY (knowing that, if there
is any kind of connection, the urologist might not know about it).
Lora
(-104 pounds)

protein requirements Lizanne

2007-09-08 06:38:11

Naomi,
I have a weekly pill container. I have one calcium in there. As I
take that one I add another. My problem is that I don't want to take
one with foods high in calcium or it gets wasted. So for breakfast I
have cheese...so no pill then, lunch is meat of some sort, so I can
take my first one then, next comes the afternoon snack of yogurt, so
I can't take one then. I should take one with dinner, but there is
no place where I can keep a pill bottle that will remind me to use
it. Sometimes I eat in front of the TV, or the computer, or even
running around the house doing laundry or whatever. I can get all
the other vitamins in, because they can be taken with food anytime
during the day, it's just the calcium I can't figure out.
Lizanne

protein requirements Lizanne

2007-09-07 21:41:20

Lizanne, you only take 1, I take 4??? Also, you need to buy a double row am/pm
pill box. I fill mine 1 x a week and when I go to bed that day is checked and
if it's not empty, I need to take some pills!!! My daughter made me do it and
I have to admit, I rarely skip a pill. As women, we can't afford to slack on
the calcium. Naomi
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
Lora,
I believe that the bigger we are the more nutrients we need. Some
may get stored in fat, and released as we need it. I have NO
scientific proof of that except what I feel and I do remember reading
some articles saying that as you lose weight you need less
nutrients. If what you say is true, then all I need is 46 grams of
protein a day. I am not going that low. I have paid the price once
and I don't want to go through that again.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the more protein you eat, the
more calcium you need. The body uses the calcium to neutralize the
amino acids and will steal from your bones if you don't get enough.
That's my problems. I can only manage to remember one calcium pill a
day. I do eat cheese and yogurt every day though.
So I guess basically I am saying is that you may be right, but I am
not going to take the chance.
Lizanne
251/176/125

Desperation Will Doom Your Job Search

2007-09-07 17:31:27

Enthusiasm about a potential job is a good thing. But enthusiasm, if
expressed incorrectly, could be interpreted as desperation. Your
resume or cover letter could then end up in the trash, and that's not
a good thing.
Recruiters say they have seen people write things like, "I'll be
waiting by the phone, "or "I'm very eager to start" -- both of which
can sound desperate. Polite and professional is the better way to go.
Reflect First, Be Truthful
Put yourself in the shoes of the employer when writing your cover
letter. Try and understand what the employer is looking for while
reviewing cover letters and resumes. The employer will select
candidates with qualities that will be the best fit for the company.
"I really need the money" shows the employer that money is the top
motivation for that person. Most likely, this statement will not
match employee qualifications the company is seeking.
No matter how badly you want a position, do not fib or fabricate on
your cover letter or resume. You may have found your dream job posted
on a job search engine, but that does not mean you are qualified for
the position. If you don't meet all the requirements posted, wait
until you have more experience in the areas requested. When the time
comes to move into a similar position, bring that enthusiasm with you!
Do Not Blast Resumes
Job seekers who blast out unsolicited resumes annoy roughly 63
percent of recruiters surveyed by ResumeDoctor.com. No matter how
badly you need a job, make sure that company is hiring.
If there are no job postings listed on a company's web site, it is OK
to call and inquire about vacant positions. It is not OK to send a
resume if the employer apologizes and indicates there are no open
positions at this time.
Follow up with Restraint
Following up is a must in the interviewing process. It lets the
hiring manager know you have a genuine interest in the position. It
is standard to give the hiring manager a call about a week after the
interview to inquire about the status of your application.
Phoning the employer more than twice a week to follow up most likely
will not be perceived as aggressive or taking the initiative. It will
most likely annoy the employer and may hurt your chances of getting
hired.
One Size Doesn't Fit All
A common misconception of a desperate job seeker is they can fit in
at any company. Rushing through the job search without doing your
research just for the sake of landing a gig is counterproductive. If
you made it through the interview process and were offered a
position, the first day or week would be a surprise.
Researching all opportunities will prevent the shock factor.

Re: protein requirements

2007-09-07 13:06:01

Lora,
I believe that the bigger we are the more nutrients we need. Some
may get stored in fat, and released as we need it. I have NO
scientific proof of that except what I feel and I do remember reading
some articles saying that as you lose weight you need less
nutrients. If what you say is true, then all I need is 46 grams of
protein a day. I am not going that low. I have paid the price once
and I don't want to go through that again.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the more protein you eat, the
more calcium you need. The body uses the calcium to neutralize the
amino acids and will steal from your bones if you don't get enough.
That's my problems. I can only manage to remember one calcium pill a
day. I do eat cheese and yogurt every day though.
So I guess basically I am saying is that you may be right, but I am
not going to take the chance.
Lizanne
251/176/125